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Coaches Already Lamenting New Hand-Checking Rule

Stop complaining and just play defense.

Players will adjust - unless the ref is out of his mind they will still allow some contact (especially when the offensive player initiates), but they need to stop allowing the Aaron Craft, Louisville press style of defense that is flat out pushing the person off-balance up the court.
 
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I agree with your point, but players are more physical now than ever and not allowing the slightest hand checking esp on dribble drives gives offensive players all the power.
Not true. Just move your feet. It's how defense is meant to be played. Players being more physical is all the more reason to restrict hand checking. A big slow guy can knock a quick guy off his drive. It takes the quick guys out of the game and makes for an ugly sport.

Now with that said I don't think defensive players should ever be allowed to steer players with their hands( like Louisville does), but using a single hand to give some defensive stability shouldn't really affect a good offensive player.
Touching an offensive player with the hand should only be used to feel his position and movement while simultaneously watching the ball. Anything more is a foul. I'm not sure what you mean by defensive stability.

I personally favor alittle bit more of a physical game inside the 3 point arc as long as the defensive player is not controlling an offensive player using two hands.
All of the ugly play that has made the college game so unwatchable is inside the 3 point arc. It doesn't take two hands to control an offensive players movement, and, the last few years, a guy without the ball gets hip checked when trying cut to the basket. That's not basketball. Using a forearm to maintain position in the post is fine, but defending a guy that's facing up needs to be done by using your feet to move laterally.


Where I like this new rule is in the back court and just over half court where offensive ball handlers get beat up bringing up the ball. I was always told there to turn the offensive player by beating them to a spot and forcing them to change direction which would leave to a trap if pressing or just slow down their momentum... Using hands to steer there is really unfair
 
Did you read the rest of my post??? Apparently not ... Big slow guy knocking guy off his drive is what I said should be a foul...

Slightest hand check I guess equates in your mind to meaning restricting movement...

And I play enough basketball to know to move my feet to play defense, but if a player places a hand on me as I'm driving to the basket I'm sure as heck not going to call a foul. Put your hands behind your back next time you play defense and see how well that goes for you and your balance.
 
Did you read the rest of my post??? Apparently not ... Big slow guy knocking guy off his drive is what I said should be a foul...

Slightest hand check I guess equates in your mind to meaning restricting movement...

And I play enough basketball to know to move my feet to play defense, but if a player places a hand on me as I'm driving to the basket I'm sure as heck not going to call a foul. Put your hands behind your back next time you play defense and see how well that goes for you and your balance.
It's clear I read your whole post since I responded section by section. I don't put my hands behind my back when I play, I hold them to the sides and up to prevent passes, and your sarcasm doesn't strengthen your argument. If you have your hand on someone while they're driving (which happens inside the arc too, btw) you will push or impede movement, even if you don't realize it. I play enough basketball to know that. You do not need to use your hands to keep your body in front of someone anywhere on the court. If you do, you're impeding their movement. If you can't stay in front by moving your feet, they beat you fair and square. Like I said, the only reason to touch a player with your hand is while trying to watch him and the ball simultaneously to aid in feeling his movement or using one forearm on the offensive players back in the post to maintain position as long as his back is to the basket.

To expand on the use of hands, I am also against offensive players using their hands to get by defenders. I hate the hook move along the baseline that we see far too much of. If you don't have good enough footwork to execute a proper spin move/dropstep, you're not good enough to beat the defender. It goes both ways for me.
 
Handchecking has always been a foul. It will even get you slapped playing pickup ball. Even the slightest handcheck should be a foul, it should be on the refs to decide if it's restricting movement.
 
And I play enough basketball to know to move my feet to play defense, but if a player places a hand on me as I'm driving to the basket I'm sure as heck not going to call a foul. Put your hands behind your back next time you play defense and see how well that goes for you and your balance.


Interestingly, my high school coach used to have us do exactly that, holding our jerseys like a rope behind our backs to prevent us from using our hands defensively. The intent was to teach you to move your feet better and get to spots instead of reaching, grabbing, etc. Being able to hand check gives the defender lots of extra latitude, especially when the offensive player gets a step or has them beat. Teams have used these tactics to equalize and gain an unfair advantage over offensive players for years--and these officiating adjustments are designed to neutralize that unfair advantage.

There was a similar change in the NBA a few years ago, they were enforced, players adjusted, and the result has cleaned up the game somewhat. Hope we see the same effect at the collegiate level.
 
There was a similar change in the NBA a few years ago, they were enforced, players adjusted, and the result has cleaned up the game somewhat. Hope we see the same effect at the collegiate level.

If the changes work like they did in the NBA, this will be awesome for the game. Will be some adjustment period for sure, but in the long run I think it will make for a more enjoyable viewing experience.

And that opinion really doesn't have mcuch to do with the fact that these changes will probably be more beneficial to SU.
 
If the changes work like they did in the NBA, this will be awesome for the game. Will be some adjustment period for sure, but in the long run I think it will make for a more enjoyable viewing experience.

And that opinion really doesn't have mcuch to do with the fact that these changes will probably be more beneficial to SU.
Agree. The college game has become hard to watch in recent years with all the holding, hand checking, bodying up, grabbing and flopping.

This is a change that was desperately needed to bring the beauty and grace back to the game. I hope the refs enforce these rules better than they did the old ones. Because their lax attitude and refusal to enforce the old rules led to this in the first place.
 
It's clear I read your whole post since I responded section by section. I don't put my hands behind my back when I play, I hold them to the sides and up to prevent passes, and your sarcasm doesn't strengthen your argument. If you have your hand on someone while they're driving (which happens inside the arc too, btw) you will push or impede movement, even if you don't realize it. I play enough basketball to know that. You do not need to use your hands to keep your body in front of someone anywhere on the court. If you do, you're impeding their movement. If you can't stay in front by moving your feet, they beat you fair and square. Like I said, the only reason to touch a player with your hand is while trying to watch him and the ball simultaneously to aid in feeling his movement or using one forearm on the offensive players back in the post to maintain position as long as his back is to the basket.

To expand on the use of hands, I am also against offensive players using their hands to get by defenders. I hate the hook move along the baseline that we see far too much of. If you don't have good enough footwork to execute a proper spin move/dropstep, you're not good enough to beat the defender. It goes both ways for me.

Well I guess I apparently am the only one here who doesn't mind alittle physical basketball then I guess. It didn't bother me in high school or college ball, and I'm sure as heck not going to call fouls now in pick up ball. Like I said, someone placing a hand on me isn't going to affect me at all and if it does, I'm just slapping it away or running my shoulder into them on the next play to bump them off me. As long as a defender isn't placing both hands on my hip and turning me with their hands it will not affect my game.

I see all your points and I'm for freedom of movement, but not every time a hand is placed on you it restricts movement and gives the defender the upper hand. Maybe around the Philly area we just prefer a more physical game
 
And that is exactly what I mean by defensive stability... Guess poor word choice... I'm not saying hand checking Shouldn't be a foul at all. I just think judgement should be used by a ref to,determine if the defensive played gained an unfair advantage over the offensive player.
I watched the men's scrimmage at the university where I work and at least 5 times a player just put a hand on an offensive player without any force and it was an immediate foul. It's going to be a really long game this year if that is called a foul. If no movement is restricted, why blow the whistle
 
And that is exactly what I mean by defensive stability... Guess poor word choice... I'm not saying hand checking Shouldn't be a foul at all. I just think judgement should be used by a ref to,determine if the defensive played gained an unfair advantage over the offensive player.
I watched the men's scrimmage at the university where I work and at least 5 times a player just put a hand on an offensive player without any force and it was an immediate foul. It's going to be a really long game this year if that is called a foul. If no movement is restricted, why blow the whistle
Yeah, we can agree to disagree. I just don't understand the point of placing a hand on someone unless your going to apply force. If you're facing him, you can see where he's going. I just think people apply force and don't even realize it. The players will adapt just like they did in the NBA.
 
Syracuse fans do realize that Aaron Craft is actually a real good defender, right? It's so funny to see the same things said for certain post topics that come up. Anything announcer related = Jimmy Dykes sucks and loves Kentucky. Hand check rule changes = Louisville/Pitino and Aaron Craft sucks, they will foul out. Recruiting news = Calipari is corrupt and Kentucky sucks, they are dirty. It's like clockwork!
 
Yeah, we can agree to disagree. I just don't understand the point of placing a hand on someone unless your going to apply force. If you're facing him, you can see where he's going. I just think people apply force and don't even realize it. The players will adapt just like they did in the NBA.

Yeas fair enough sufandu... I also don't mean to sound so defensive about this and apologize if I came off as not so friendly...overall I agree with what you have said. I hope players learn to get away from using hands and play better sound defense moving thier feet. I just fear some early games are going to be a whistle and free throw fest and that concerns me, but I also understand it is better for the sport of college basketball. Let's go Orange!!
 
Agree 100%.

Jay Bilas was all over this last season, and it looks like his prediction about the rules being changed to take this slop away is only going to hurt the teams that used slop to equalize better offensive teams.

Yes, and I'd like to point out that BE basketball was perhaps the worst offender. I'm happy to see it dispatched.
 
Like I said, someone placing a hand on me isn't going to affect me at all and if it does, I'm just slapping it away or running my shoulder into them on the next play to bump them off me.

Actually, yes it does (no crap to anyone in the discussion). The defender can instinctively react sooner to your movements by feeling them, than he can by seeing them, processing the information, and then reacting. Believe it.

And swatting the defender's hand away is an offensive foul. But if the officials call the handchecking in the first place, we don't have that problem, either.
 
Actually, yes it does (no crap to anyone in the discussion). The defender can instinctively react sooner to your movements by feeling them, than he can by seeing them, processing the information, and then reacting. Believe it.

And swatting the defender's hand away is an offensive foul. But if the officials call the handchecking in the first place, we don't have that problem, either.

Yea I know it could be called an offensive foul...I rarely ever got called for it.. Just have to be alittle subtle about it
 
Yea I know it could be called an offensive foul...I rarely ever got called for it.. Just have to be alittle subtle about it

Understood. Most officials are reluctant to call that because they know they should have gotten the handcheck in the first place. :)
 

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