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Message: [QUOTE="GoSU96, post: 1607383, member: 114"] Shafer made some bad hires, I don't know if that was because of budget or getting the band back together or both. 6-18, one game off of Grobian pace, -100 in offense and defense, is about as bad as it can get. There is no worse to be had. I'm going to point this out again, over a four year period, allowing for a one year post Grob transition year, SU went 27-23 with three winning seasons and three bowl wins. And that was coming off of four years of historically bad in the sport and minimal resources and investment. The roster isn't close to as poor, the resources and investments made since 2012 are much higher. The right hire can get this program back to winning more than losing almost immediately. [/QUOTE]