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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 2911987, member: 716"] An argument can be made that that was the tipping point. (Maybe throw in Boeheim's abrupt move away from prioritizing transition scoring opportunities at about the same time, too.) I'm probably the only person left on the planet who still thinks that Kaleb Joseph could have been a good ACC point guard. But it probably would've helped him to play behind or alongside Ennis, who was more likely to be a four-year player than a one-and-done. If those two crazy 2014 defections hadn't occurred, I believe people today would be talking about an OK 27-6 season and the good 2015 and 2016 years that followed it, rather than harping on the awful collapse and the next few crappy years. [/QUOTE]