Cole Swider: Pistons

[Orangezoo]

Last night's game, on offense Cole just ran to a corner during each possession. He has to move and try to do more. Granted, he didn't always shoot and moved the ball well, but you can't just play zone offense. He had a couple rebounds so he is doing more than just scoring.

He is a specialist. He isn't going to be the target on a number of plays and his role is to space the floor with his shooting. I'm sure his activity is aligned with what the Lakers staff wants.

 

[Orangezoo]

Cole ended up playing 23 mins last night. Unfortunately he missed all 5 of his 3’s and finished with just the 2 pts. He did have 5 rebs, 2 stls and 2 blocks.

Good floor game to offset the off night from 3.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Last night's game, on offense Cole just ran to a corner during each possession. He has to move and try to do more. Granted, he didn't always shoot and moved the ball well, but you can't just play zone offense. He had a couple rebounds so he is doing more than just scoring.

I’d have to think coaching instructions have something to do with this. He’s carving out his role as designated sniper- maybe this is what they want him to do?

 

[Cuse4455]

He's been horrible the last 2 games.

 

[Orangezoo]

He's been horrible the last 2 games.

He was fine last game just off on his shot. Tonight was bottom of the bench and he wasn't getting heavy minutes anyways.

Lakers as a team are a giant mess though.

 

[rrlbees]

He was fine last game just off on his shot. Tonight was bottom of the bench and he wasn't getting heavy minutes anyways.

He’s played some tonight. 2nd man off the bench both halves. But again his 3 pointer isn’t falling but they’re leaving him out there to try and get off the snide.

 

[rrlbees]

Cole played 25 mins and was the 2nd leading scorer with 17 pts. But he took a lot of shots to get there. Shot 4/16 with 3/11 from 3 and 6/6 on FTs. Added 5 rebs, 2 asts and 2 stls.

 

[orangenauburn]

Cole played 25 mins and was the 2nd leading scorer with 17 pts. But he took a lot of shots to get there. Shot 4/16 with 3/11 from 3 and 6/6 on FTs. Added 5 rebs, 2 asts and 2 stls.

So he had a Hard(en) night

 

[Hopkins16]

Whether it's coaching instruction or not it is poor basketball to come down the court on every play and hang out in a corner. It prevents other players in motion from going to that area. Moving from one corner to another can create an open shot by losing the defender or having him picked off. At least mix it up at times and keep the defense on its toes.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I wonder how many of the players who played ahead of Cole at Villanova are on an NBA roster? Picking the right school out of high school is so important. I’m hoping others who screwed up make their way back to SU.

The same thing can (and does) happen to SU.

 

[Orangezoo]

Whether it's coaching instruction or not it is poor basketball to come down the court on every play and hang out in a corner. It prevents other players in motion from going to that area. Moving from one corner to another can create an open shot by losing the defender or having him picked off. At least mix it up at times and keep the defense on its toes.

Talk to Darvin

 

[4evaOrange]

 

[rrlbees]

Whether it's coaching instruction or not it is poor basketball to come down the court on every play and hang out in a corner. It prevents other players in motion from going to that area. Moving from one corner to another can create an open shot by losing the defender or having him picked off. At least mix it up at times and keep the defense on its toes.

He may start in one spot but doesn’t stay there the whole possession. He runs a lot of pick and pop and also moving to open spots. He went to the basket some as evidenced by 6-6 on FTs. You’re exaggerating some on him just standing in the corner. He is a perimeter guy though because that’s his role in the offense.

 

[Orangezoo]

He may start in one spot but doesn’t stay there the whole possession. He runs a lot of pick and pop and also moving to open spots. He went to the basket some as evidenced by 6-6 on FTs. You’re exaggerating some on him just standing in the corner. He is a perimeter guy though because that’s his role in the offense.

Also per his highlights you can see he was catching and shooting from the top of the key plenty.

Sometimes I don't think folks realize that NBA pre season is tough to find rhythm. You go from backing up normal starters to getting longer run to then backing up the end of the roster as well while a bunch of guys that definitely won't make the team are getting heavy minutes.

It's his first NBA off season. He will continue to adapt and improve. Cole has the maturity and work ethic to make it stick.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Also per his highlights you can see he was catching and shooting from the top of the key plenty.

Sometimes I don't think folks realize that NBA pre season is tough to find rhythm. You go from backing up normal starters to getting longer run to then backing up the end of the roster as well while a bunch of guys that definitely won't make the team are getting heavy minutes.

It's his first NBA off season. He will continue to adapt and improve. Cole has the maturity and work ethic to make it stick.

Ok- enough already with the mature insight and proper perspective you’re adding to this subject. Off with your head!

 

[JDubbin]

Last night's game, on offense Cole just ran to a corner during each possession. He has to move and try to do more. Granted, he didn't always shoot and moved the ball well, but you can't just play zone offense. He had a couple rebounds so he is doing more than just scoring.

This is a major part of how current NBA offenses are run, it's not a responsibility or lack of effort on Cole's part to "move & try to do more" - a player like PJ Tucker is a great visual example of what current floor spacing philosophies are. Often, the NBA boils down to 2 v 2 pick & role, or spacing to isolate a player in their preferred position of comfort to get a bucket.. if Cole Swider is running around, cutting through the lane repeatedly he's actually counter-acting what the offense is trying to do by clogging the space & bringing extra defenders with him. Yes, he needs to move, replace & find space when appropriate, but basically every NBA team sends players to corners on every position to allow others space to work.

 

[Orangezoo]

This is a major part of how current NBA offenses are run, it's not a responsibility or lack of effort on Cole's part to "move & try to do more" - a player like PJ Tucker is a great visual example of what current floor spacing philosophies are. Often, the NBA boils down to 2 v 2 pick & role, or spacing to isolate a player in their preferred position of comfort to get a bucket.. if Cole Swider is running around, cutting through the lane repeatedly he's actually counter-acting what the offense is trying to do by clogging the space & bringing extra defenders with him. Yes, he needs to move, replace & find space when appropriate, but basically every NBA team sends players to corners on every position to allow others space to work.

Bingo well said.

 

[djcon57]

This is a major part of how current NBA offenses are run, it's not a responsibility or lack of effort on Cole's part to "move & try to do more" - a player like PJ Tucker is a great visual example of what current floor spacing philosophies are. Often, the NBA boils down to 2 v 2 pick & role, or spacing to isolate a player in their preferred position of comfort to get a bucket.. if Cole Swider is running around, cutting through the lane repeatedly he's actually counter-acting what the offense is trying to do by clogging the space & bringing extra defenders with him. Yes, he needs to move, replace & find space when appropriate, but basically every NBA team sends players to corners on every position to allow others space to work.

Yep, he needs to make his open shots and not be a massive liability on D. That's it. That's the role.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Orangezoo]

Yep, he needs to make his open shots and not be a massive liability on D. That's it. That's the role.

Which he has. Steals and blocked shots mean possessions and he has been doing all the dirty work and putting in the effort so far. While his shot was rough the past two games he finished strong last night.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Which he has. Steals and blocked shots mean possessions and he has been doing all the dirty work and putting in the effort so far. While his shot was rough the past two games he finished strong last night.

And the fact is “ shooters shoot”. When Cole settles in, that jumper will start to connect. We saw it here last season, in summer league, and it’ll happen for him in the Association.
The Lakers suck from the perimeter- he’s found the perfect team for his skills. So happy and proud for him.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He’s played more games in a week than he likely has before, against much bigger guys than before. His shot being off in the first week shouldn’t really be a surprise. He’s going to settle in, we’ve seen that before. Give him a minute folks.

 

[Orangezoo]

He’s played more games in a week than he likely has before, against much bigger guys than before. His shot being off in the first week shouldn’t really be a surprise. He’s going to settle in, we’ve seen that before. Give him a minute folks.

Exactly

 

[sufandu]

Whether it's coaching instruction or not it is poor basketball to come down the court on every play and hang out in a corner. It prevents other players in motion from going to that area. Moving from one corner to another can create an open shot by losing the defender or having him picked off. At least mix it up at times and keep the defense on its toes.

It spaces the floor and opens up the lane for guys like Lebron. It's boring basketball but not bad strategy with the right personnel.

 

[Fireball Jr.]

Swider’s leading competition for a job, Matt Ryan, saw his stock rise with six threes & 20 points Sunday night in the second half, as Lakers beat the Warriors.