Come on, man!

[SmilinBob]

Ok and that affect Bama's schedule how? Not at all the point I was making, your distaste for their scheduling practices clouds your judgement on some of this stuff ... and yeah we did hear about an SEC team dismantling ND .. .it was Bama for the title beating ND unlike anything a BE team could have done last season.

Of course, it was a championship game and not a team that is 3-4 in the ACC. My question to you is...who have those SEC teams you mentioned beat? LSU a 4-7 TCU team and 3 patsies. Auburn a 6-5 Washington St and 3 patsies. A&M: Rice, SMU, Sam Houston St and UTEP. Ole Miss did beat Texas which is a good win and then added SE Missouri St, Idaho and Troy. There is a theme here.

My distaste for scheduling practices is simply because there isn't a true conference winner playoff and the manipulation of the polls by perception and agendas. Add to that, play bad teams and you go to a bowl (schools with talent like SU) challenge yourself and you probably don't.

 

[Alsacs]

Yep and Bama will have to beat a ranked Mizzou in the title game ... oh and by the way Ole Miss was ranked when Bama beat them and is in the also receiving votes category ... give me that awful schedule of marquee teams like Auburn, A&M, LSU, Ole Miss any day while throwing in VT a team that has an outside shot of playing for the ACC championship. Good grief you don't have to like the SEC or how they "schedule" but I think you guys let your distaste cloud your judgement at times.

With 14 team conferences causes schedules to get watered down. Alabama has earned their status as undisputed #1 but their SEC schedules are NOT that difficult. LSU and Texas A&M aren't as dominant as they were last year. Auburn is Alabama's most difficult game and don't give me Ole Miss they are decent, but not a team that will be as good as they will be in the future. Ole Miss has young talent, but they aren't a top 25 team yet. Alabama has played nobody good from the SEC East and that is 2 of their 8 conference games they didn't have to play Georgia, South Carolina, or Missouri this season and those are the top 3 East teams. I don't care how the SEC schedules I am just pointing out the truth as to the fact that Alabama's schedule this season has been good but not the landmine after landmine that the SEC perception gives off. As long as they play 1 tough non-conference game which they typically do then atleast they do that.

 

[Timonen]

Alabama's schedule is easy compared to other SEC schools. Georgia played Auburn and LSU as cross-over opponents.
The SEC East teams Alabama played are Tennessee and Kentucky.
LSU and @Texas A&M are good opponents. Ole Miss is decent, but nothing special.
@Auburn this week will be their most difficult opponent.
This whole myth that the SEC is a grind isn't true you have 2 or 3 tough games. The Pac-12 is better top to bottom than the SEC.

Alabama will have played 3 ranked teams in conference play LSU, Texas A&M, and Auburn, and if A&M loses to Missouri this week then it will be 2 ranked teams.

alabama has benefited lately by having their cross-over rival be Tenny. Conversely, auburn has uga every year and lsu has florida every year. the title game is a built in balance on that for bama, though. they still need to do plenty to keep their ranking. auburn, a&m, lsu, title game + out of conference is by far tougher than anything happening in the pac 12. that's about 4 teams who were top 10 at the time of the game with bama.

 

[SmilinBob]

UTenn gives it up more than Wilt Chamberlain. Bama got a nice blessing with that one and LSU's coach Miles was screaming from the rooftops about it.

 

[Alsacs]

alabama has benefited lately by having their cross-over rival be Tenny. Conversely, auburn has uga every year and lsu has florida every year. the title game is a built in balance on that for bama, though. they still need to do plenty to keep their ranking. auburn, a&m, lsu, title game + out of conference is by far tougher than anything happening in the pac 12. that's about 4 teams who were top 10 at the time of the game with bama.

Stanford has played
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
Arizona State
Notre Dame
which IMO is tougher than Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, LSU, and Auburn. Also, I would put a team like Oregon State on par with Ole Miss and Stanford had to beat Oregon State on the road which is a tough place to win at.


I agree the SEC championship game is built in, but as you say by Alabama having Tennessee built in each year and Tennessee sucking Alabama has had an advantage in getting to the SEC Championship game. Last season Texas A&M opened the season at home against Florida and lost by 3 points in Johnny Manziel's first game if A&M didn't play Florida which ended up 11-1 in the regular season and played another SEC East team at home then A&M would have been in the SEC title game over Alabama since they beat the Crimson Tide in Tuscaloosa and we have a different NC champion last year. All this matters because Alabama has benefited from not playing South Carolina, Georgia, Florida in the regular season but 1 time in the last 3 season total and that one game was against a 6-6 Florida in Gainesville in 2011.

 

[Lou_C]

It's been covered, but yes it's because the SEC teams that play ACC teams always had a cupcake the week before, while the ACC teams were out trying to clinch a conference title, sometimes on the road. Therefore every single year the SEC schools came in with basically two weeks of rest and two weeks of preparation, versus one for the ACC school. It is absolutely a great and important thing that the ACC is now doing the same. Those ACC-SEC games at the end of the year, soon to be another with LV-KY, are vital to the ACC's reputation. I'd be fine with doing away with them if the SEC did the same, but if not it would be stupid for the ACC to handicap themselves like they have in the past.

And while I know the Coastal isn't decided yet, with three Atlantic teams this goes a long way to settling the Atlantic a week earlier, which is good for CCG ticket sales.

 

[wfschrec]

Of course, it was a championship game and not a team that is 3-4 in the ACC. My question to you is...who have those SEC teams you mentioned beat? LSU a 4-7 TCU team and 3 patsies. Auburn a 6-5 Washington St and 3 patsies. A&M: Rice, SMU, Sam Houston St and UTEP. Ole Miss did beat Texas which is a good win and then added SE Missouri St, Idaho and Troy. There is a theme here.

My distaste for scheduling practices is simply because there isn't a true conference winner playoff and the manipulation of the polls by perception and agendas. Add to that, play bad teams and you go to a bowl (schools with talent like SU) challenge yourself and you probably don't.

Was ND undefeated when Pitt beat them? Nope ... Michigan took care of that a while ago ... and you obviously aren't paying attention to the landscape because since that loss ND has been a non-story, sorry to ruin your perspective ... the biggest story around them was the loss of their QB before the season started. LOL yep if I'm LSU and have guaranteed games against Bama, Auburn and A&M while having cross over games against UGA and UF (who did flame out) then yeah I'm gonna load up on top 10 OCC competition. Do you even think about the ramifications of that?

The fact is they win the OCC games they are supposed to win and know what it takes to get through their regular season, I find it hilarious that people on this board (and I am not one of them) want SU to play Rome School for the Deaf 4 times a year because of our conference schedule but admonish others for doing it. I am not a fan of playing pasties ... I don't like it but it is clear why teams do it. Don't blame them, they are working with a system that they did not design. Blame the NCAA, it is pretty simple.

 

[wfschrec]

Stanford has played
Oregon
Washington
USC
UCLA
Arizona State
Notre Dame
which IMO is tougher than Virginia Tech, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, LSU, and Auburn. Also, I would put a team like Oregon State on par with Ole Miss and Stanford had to beat Oregon State on the road which is a tough place to win at.


I agree the SEC championship game is built in, but as you say by Alabama having Tennessee built in each year and Tennessee sucking Alabama has had an advantage in getting to the SEC Championship game. Last season Texas A&M opened the season at home against Florida and lost by 3 points in Johnny Manziel's first game if A&M didn't play Florida which ended up 11-1 in the regular season and played another SEC East team at home then A&M would have been in the SEC title game over Alabama since they beat the Crimson Tide in Tuscaloosa and we have a different NC champion last year. All this matters because Alabama has benefited from not playing South Carolina, Georgia, Florida in the regular season but 1 time in the last 3 season total and that one game was against a 6-6 Florida in Gainesville in 2011.

ND has no business being ranked ... they are only ranked because they are ND. So you think these PAC-10 teams that get beat by the SEC teams they face are better? OK ... and you do realize that "tough" Oregon State squad was piss pounded by unranked Washington at home by 42 points ... I think I just saw any credibility go flying past me on the highway when it comes to statements like that. There is also a reason UW doesn't even show up on the "also receiving votes" list like Ole Miss, the PAC-12 for the last decade has been overrated.

 

[Alsacs]

ND has no business being ranked ... they are only ranked because they are ND. So you think these PAC-10 teams that get beat by the SEC teams they face are better? OK ... and you do realize that "tough" Oregon State squad was piss pounded by unranked Washington at home by 42 points ... I think I just saw any credibility go flying past me on the highway when it comes to statements like that. There is also a reason UW doesn't even show up on the "also receiving votes" list like Ole Miss, the PAC-12 for the last decade has been overrated.

Get off the SEC high horse the fact is the Pac-12 plays 9 conference games and atleast 1 BCS in the OOC schedule. Oregon State got beat Washington and that makes them a fraud for 1 game? Washington is pretty good with Bishop Sankey and Keith Price I don't draw conclusions based on 1 game. The Pac-12 top to bottom is better than the SEC this year and the fact the Pac-12 plays an extra conference game which results in 1 more loss for some teams instead of scrub game like the SEC schedules for its extra game.

Second Notre Dame did beat Michigan State and they are the only team thus far to do that , they beat USC under Ed Oregron and they completely gave Pitt their game 2 weeks ago. While I don't like ND personally they are a legit top 25 team.
Stanford's schedule is TOUGHER than Alabama's their is no doubt in that. The SEC has the best top teams, but their middle isn't as good as the Pac-12's this season. If Alabama played a legit SEC East team in the regular season then the schedules would be closer, and you completely ignored the fact that because Texas A&M played 11-1 Florida versus Alabama playing 5-7 Tennessee last year is why Alabama played in the SEC championship game last year.

 

[SmilinBob]

All the conferences should play at least 10 conference games, well except for the Big 12.

 

[Timonen]

Get off the SEC high horse the fact is the Pac-12 plays 9 conference games and atleast 1 BCS in the OOC schedule. Oregon State got beat Washington and that makes them a fraud for 1 game? Washington is pretty good with Bishop Sankey and Keith Price I don't draw conclusions based on 1 game. The Pac-12 top to bottom is better than the SEC this year and the fact the Pac-12 plays an extra conference game which results in 1 more loss for some teams instead of scrub game like the SEC schedules for its extra game.

Second Notre Dame did beat Michigan State and they are the only team thus far to do that , they beat USC under Ed Oregron and they completely gave Pitt their game 2 weeks ago. While I don't like ND personally they are a legit top 25 team.
Stanford's schedule is TOUGHER than Alabama's their is no doubt in that. The SEC has the best top teams, but their middle isn't as good as the Pac-12's this season. If Alabama played a legit SEC East team in the regular season then the schedules would be closer, and you completely ignored the fact that because Texas A&M played 11-1 Florida versus Alabama playing 5-7 Tennessee last year is why Alabama played in the SEC championship game last year.

i can't figure out how the pac-12 is getting so propped up this year. what makes them all so good and just not all "just above average"? they're all gonna have 2-4 losses against each other. i don't think anyone is denying that the sec isn't at the same level it usually is...but i don't know that's there's anything to make anyone believe that the pac-12 is any better. pac-12 has ZERO 1 loss teams. SEC has 3 (including one undefeated).

 

[Alsacs]

i can't figure out how the pac-12 is getting so propped up this year. what makes them all so good and just not all "just above average"? they're all gonna have 2-4 losses against each other. i don't think anyone is denying that the sec isn't at the same level it usually is...but i don't know that's there's anything to make anyone believe that the pac-12 is any better. pac-12 has ZERO 1 loss teams. SEC has 3 (including one undefeated).

Again because they play that 9th conference game it causes more losses.
Stanford has played Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Utah from the South.
Oregon has played Arizona, UCLA, Utah, Colorado from the South
Washington has played UCLA, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado from the South
Oregon State has played Arizona State, USC, Colorado, Utah from the South.
The top 3 teams from the Pac-12 South are 1. Arizona State. 2. UCLA 3. USC those teams show up 8 times above here.

Alabama has played Kentucky and Tennessee from the SEC East
Auburn has played Tennessee and Georgia from the SEC East
LSU has played Georgia and Florida from the SEC East
Texas A&M has played Vanderbilt and Missouri from the SEC East
The top 3 teams from the SEC East are Missouri, South Carolina, and Georgia those teams show 3 times.

Jeez, I wonder why 1 conference has more losses than the other, and 2 of those 3 SEC East matchups have been with 3rd place Georgia. I wonder why South Carolina is 6-2 in the SEC? Arkansas and Mississippi State are just the toughest games for the Gamecocks. Alabama is worthy of the #1 ranking in the country just because of the eye test, but they have gotten so much unreported luck its funny.

 

[Timonen]

Again because they play that 9th conference game it causes more losses.
Stanford has played Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Utah from the South.
Oregon has played Arizona, UCLA, Utah, Colorado from the South
Washington has played UCLA, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado from the South
Oregon State has played Arizona State, USC, Colorado, Utah from the South.
The top 3 teams from the Pac-12 South are 1. Arizona State. 2. UCLA 3. USC those teams show up 8 times above here.

Alabama has played Kentucky and Tennessee from the SEC East
Auburn has played Tennessee and Georgia from the SEC East
LSU has played Georgia and Florida from the SEC East
Texas A&M has played Vanderbilt and Missouri from the SEC East
The top 3 teams from the SEC East are Missouri, South Carolina, and Georgia those teams show 3 times.

Jeez, I wonder why 1 conference has more losses than the other, and 2 of those 3 SEC East matchups have been with 3rd place Georgia. I wonder why South Carolina is 6-2 in the SEC? Arkansas and Mississippi State are just the toughest games for the Gamecocks. Alabama is worthy of the #1 ranking in the country just because of the eye test, but they have gotten so much unreported luck its funny.

but using your logic, the unbalanced schedule could just mean that lsu is under-ranked. also, if we concede that the sec east is so much weaker than the west (it clearly is), that DOES mean that the west is much stronger...and bama has to play EVERY team there. this stuff mostly balances in the aggregate for the team on the tougher side who hasn't lost.

the extra conference game doesn't matter in the pac-12 if the teams are only moderately good. we don't know the answer there any more than we do in the sec. at some point, the eye test (in combo with the record) matters.

 

[SmilinBob]

Funny how the Big 12 has the same problem with losses...that extra conference game is huge and the SEC knows it, why else would they not be playing 9?

 

[Alsacs]

but using your logic, the unbalanced schedule could just mean that lsu is under-ranked. also, if we concede that the sec east is so much weaker than the west (it clearly is), that DOES mean that the west is much stronger...and bama has to play EVERY team there. this stuff mostly balances in the aggregate for the team on the tougher side who hasn't lost.

the extra conference game doesn't matter in the pac-12 if the teams are only moderately good. we don't know the answer there any more than we do in the sec. at some point, the eye test (in combo with the record) matters.

The SEC West isn't that good. Texas A&M and LSU have great offenses, but their defenses are young this year and have been destroyed. This is completely unexpected for a team like LSU, but they will be better on defense in the future, but won't have an NFL QB like Zack Mettenberger most likely. Also, the SEC East isn't that bad Missouri, Georgia, South Carolina are good teams, but those 3 teams didn't have the top SEC West teams, and that has caused the SEC West teams records to be inflated. The 8 game schedule is a joke and I hope the SEC follows thru with Nick Saban wanting 9 conference games it will cause the ACC to do the same. In the last 4 years which are the 4 dominant years of Alabama football they have played the top 3 teams in the SEC East Florida, Georgia, South Carolina 2 times in the regular season before the SEC title game. Alabama has beaten up Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky over that stretch 7 times, and Missouri 1 time last year. In those games against the top 3 SEC East team Alabama is 1-1 they beat Florida in the Swamp in 2011 and lost to South Carolina in Columbia in 2010.

People have to get off the SEC high horse they are the best conference but the schedules being 8 games don't cause as many good intra-division matchups which keeps the losses for the top teams down. If A&M loses to Missouri this weekend they will fall to 8-4 with ZERO good wins and out of the top 25.

 

[Alsacs]

Hell before last season 's Georgia-Alabama SEC title game matchup the last time those 2 teams played was when Matt Stafford was the Georgia QB in 2009 and he is in 5th SEASON the NFL. Conference opponents shouldn't go 4 years without playing and they wouldn't have played if it wasn't in the SEC title game the drought would continue for another 3 years. Georgia is a top 3 SEC East team and Alabama is a top 3 SEC West team they don't play each other and that is one more loss for Mississippi State or Kentucky to endure.

 

[Timonen]

The SEC West isn't that good. Texas A&M and LSU have great offenses, but their defenses are young this year and have been destroyed. This is completely unexpected for a team like LSU, but they will be better on offense in the future, but won't have an NFL QB like Zack Mettenberger most likely. Also, the SEC East isn't that bad Missouri, Georgia, South Carolina are good teams, but those 3 teams didn't have the top SEC West teams, and that has caused the SEC West teams records to be inflated. The 8 game schedule is a joke and I hope the SEC follows thru with Nick Saban wanting 9 conference games it will cause the ACC to do the same. In the last 4 years which are the 4 dominant years of Alabama football they have played the top 3 teams in the SEC East Florida, Georgia, South Carolina 2 times in the regular season before the SEC title game. Alabama has beaten up Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky over that stretch 7 times, and Missouri 1 time last year. In those games against the top 3 SEC East team Alabama is 1-1 they beat Florida in the Swamp in 2011 and lost to South Carolina in Columbia in 2010.

People have to get off the SEC high horse they are the best conference but the schedules being 8 games don't cause as many good intra-division matchups which keeps the losses for the top teams down. If A&M loses to Missouri this weekend they will fall to 8-4 with ZERO good wins and out of the top 25.

if a&m is the 7th or 8th best team in the sec, that would put them against washington, arizona, oregon st at the same spot in the pac 12. i don't think it's any high horse bias, but i'm taking a&m to win 8/10 against those teams. they would score a million points and arizona would be the only one in the other group with a chance of keeping up.

 

[Alsacs]

if a&m is the 7th or 8th best team in the sec, that would put them against washington, arizona, oregon st at the same spot in the pac 12. i don't think it's any high horse bias, but i'm taking a&m to win 8/10 against those teams. they would score a million points and arizona would be the only one in the other group with a chance of keeping up.

First off the SEC is overrated that an 8-4 Tezas A&M if they lose to Mizzou won't be 7th or 8th they will be 6th with the their best wins over SEC 7th Ole Miss and 8th Vanderbilt.

ESPN SEC power rankings
1. Alabama (11-0, 7-0 SEC; 1):

2. Missouri (10-1, 6-1 SEC:

3. Auburn (10-1, 6-1 SEC:

4. South Carolina (9-2, 6-2 SEC:

5. LSU (8-3, 4-3 SEC:

6. Texas A&M (8-3, 4-3 SEC:

7. Ole Miss (7-4, 3-4 SEC):

8. Vanderbilt (7-4, 4-4 SEC:

9. Georgia (7-4, 5-3 SEC:

10. Mississippi State (5-6, 2-5 SEC; ):

11. Tennessee (4-7, 1-6 SEC ):

12. Florida (4-7, 3-5 SEC:

13. Arkansas (3-8, 0-7 SEC ):

14. Kentucky (2-9, 0-7 SEC

Washington has Bishop Shankey and Keith Price. Oregon State has a really good offense.
ESPN Pac-12 rankings

1. Stanford:

2. Arizona State:

3. Oregon: .

4. USC:

5. UCLA:

6. Washington:

7. Arizona:

8. Washington State:

9. Oregon State:

10. Utah:

11. Colorado:

12. California:


Give the Pac-12 over the SEC this season, and still the fact that the SEC cross-divisional schedules tend to favor the top teams is a joke and never gets brought up.

 

[Timonen]

Washington has Bishop Shankey and Keith Price. Oregon State has a really good offense.
ESPN Pac-12 rankings

Give the Pac-12 over the SEC this season, and still the fact that the SEC cross-divisional schedules tend to favor the top teams is a joke and never gets brought up.

Obviously, this is a circular argument because i can say that those players put up their big stats against crap defenses in their conference. and a team like osu lost to eastern washington and struggled against utah. throw everything else out and i'll take manziel, evens & co against just about anybody there.

in all honesty, this is why i love college football more than anything else. super fun to discuss and hypothesize. doesn't so much matter who ends up being correct as long as the games are fun between now and january.

 

[Alsacs]

Obviously, this is a circular argument because i can say that those players put up their big stats against crap defenses in their conference. and a team like osu lost to eastern washington and struggled against utah. throw everything else out and i'll take manziel, evens & co against just about anybody there.

in all honesty, this is why i love college football more than anything else. super fun to discuss and hypothesize. doesn't so much matter who ends up being correct as long as the games are fun between now and january.

Fair enough, I just live in Charlotte and hate SEC fans making their conference out to be ungodly when they are good, but if you look that the schedules of the top teams it makes sense why a couple of them are over-inflated.

Again Alabama is number 1 and worthy of it, but they are a fluke loss in 2OT from Oklahoma State against Iowa State and Florida not playing Texas A&M last season away from not being 2 time defending NC champs. Obviously those things happened, but Alabama has been ridiculously lucky with their good fortune.

 

[Timonen]

Fair enough, I just live in Charlotte and hate SEC fans making their conference out to be ungodly when they are good, but if you look that the schedules of the top teams it makes sense why a couple of them are over-inflated.

Again Alabama is number 1 and worthy of it, but they are a fluke loss in 2OT from Oklahoma State against Iowa State and Florida not playing Texas A&M last season away from not being 2 time defending NC champs. Obviously those things happened, but Alabama has been ridiculously lucky with their good fortune.

i married into lsu so i'm keenly aware of the iowa state stuff! brandon weedon would have been much more fun than a rematch against bama.

 

[wfschrec]

Again because they play that 9th conference game it causes more losses.
Stanford has played Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Utah from the South.
Oregon has played Arizona, UCLA, Utah, Colorado from the South
Washington has played UCLA, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado from the South
Oregon State has played Arizona State, USC, Colorado, Utah from the South.
The top 3 teams from the Pac-12 South are 1. Arizona State. 2. UCLA 3. USC those teams show up 8 times above here.

Alabama has played Kentucky and Tennessee from the SEC East
Auburn has played Tennessee and Georgia from the SEC East
LSU has played Georgia and Florida from the SEC East
Texas A&M has played Vanderbilt and Missouri from the SEC East
The top 3 teams from the SEC East are Missouri, South Carolina, and Georgia those teams show 3 times.

Jeez, I wonder why 1 conference has more losses than the other, and 2 of those 3 SEC East matchups have been with 3rd place Georgia. I wonder why South Carolina is 6-2 in the SEC? Arkansas and Mississippi State are just the toughest games for the Gamecocks. Alabama is worthy of the #1 ranking in the country just because of the eye test, but they have gotten so much unreported luck its funny.

Just look at the PAC-12 ... and look at those 3 OOC games ... Oregon State goes 2-1 OCC losing to E Washington .. Bama goes and plays 8 conf games and 1 marquee OOC team like Va Tech ... no difference then the PAC-12 seriously. OSU can't beat E Washington but they are good enough to beat a lot of SEC teams? Really?

And ND beating MSU early in the season is some huge feat? Did you look at who MSU has played thus far ... ND is the best team they have played period. Their OOC is a joke and after they get blasted by OSU they will be exposed as a schedule fraud. Beating Michigan isn't a large feat oh and Iowa looks great this year too ... After ND gets beat by Stanford they won't be ranked anymore either, I mean you do realize ND just lost to Pitt by 7 right? Pitt is no better than us ... we should have beat them ... South Carolina is 6-2 in the SEC ... why? Because they win the games they are supposed to win ... and look at who they beat in OOC ... UCF who is tearing up the American, UNC a decent ACC team and they finish with Clemson ... that is a better OOC than any PAC-12 team so lets spare the rhetoric and stop cherry picking pieces of a schedule to suit your argument.

 

[Alsacs]

Just look at the PAC-12 ... and look at those 3 OOC games ... Oregon State goes 2-1 OCC losing to E Washington .. Bama goes and plays 8 conf games and 1 marquee OOC team like Va Tech ... no difference then the PAC-12 seriously. OSU can't beat E Washington but they are good enough to beat a lot of SEC teams? Really?

And ND beating MSU early in the season is some huge feat? Did you look at who MSU has played thus far ... ND is the best team they have played period. Their OOC is a joke and after they get blasted by OSU they will be exposed as a schedule fraud. Beating Michigan isn't a large feat oh and Iowa looks great this year too ... After ND gets beat by Stanford they won't be ranked anymore either, I mean you do realize ND just lost to Pitt by 7 right? Pitt is no better than us ... we should have beat them ... South Carolina is 6-2 in the SEC ... why? Because they win the games they are supposed to win ... and look at who they beat in OOC ... UCF who is tearing up the American, UNC a decent ACC team and they finish with Clemson ... that is a better OOC than any PAC-12 team so lets spare the rhetoric and stop cherry picking pieces of a schedule to suit your argument.

Stanford, Arizona State, USC all played Notre Dame plus 9 conference games. Arizona State also played Wisconsin. Oregon played Virginia and Tennessee. UCLA played Nebraska. Pac-12 schools play 10 games for the most part against BCS competition. Arizona State's non conference of a 1-AA, Notre Dame, Wisconsin is better than South Carolina's. While South Carolina is playing good teams by playing only 8 conference games that gives them an extra game to schedule. The SEC typically plays 8 conference games and 1 good non-conference game. Georgia and South Carolina were the only 2 to buck this trend. South Carolina didn't beat all the teams they should they lose to crappy Tennessee and played the worst 2 SEC West teams Mississippi State and Arkansas to pad their 6-2 SEC record.

BTW that Eastern Washington team you mock is a multiple D-1AA National Champ and one of the top I-AA teams in the country I think they could beat the crap out of us if we played them,

 

[wfschrec]

Stanford, Arizona State, USC all played Notre Dame plus 9 conference games. Arizona State also played Wisconsin. Oregon played Virginia and Tennessee. UCLA played Nebraska. Pac-12 schools play 10 games for the most part against BCS competition. Arizona State's non conference of a 1-AA, Notre Dame, Wisconsin is better than South Carolina's. While South Carolina is playing good teams by playing only 8 conference games that gives them an extra game to schedule. The SEC typically plays 8 conference games and 1 good non-conference game. Georgia and South Carolina were the only 2 to buck this trend. South Carolina didn't beat all the teams they should they lose to crappy Tennessee and played the worst 2 SEC West teams Mississippi State and Arkansas to pad their 6-2 SEC record.

BTW that Eastern Washington team you mock is a multiple D-1AA National Champ and one of the top I-AA teams in the country I think they could beat the crap out of us if we played them,

Have you even watched UVA this year? And again stop bringing up ND they don't even deserve to be in the top 25 ... you do also realize E Washington lost to Toledo by two scores right? Please just stop its giving me a headache how bad this whole argument is ... I mean hell you've already intimated that this whole desire to tout the PAC-12 is driven by the fact that you hate listening to SEC homers ... but lets not try to build the PAC-12 as the top conference in football because you don't like SEC fans ... hell I don't like a lot of them either but I'm not going to let that cloud my judgement.

 

[Alsacs]

Have you even watched UVA this year? And again stop bringing up ND they don't even deserve to be in the top 25 ... you do also realize E Washington lost to Toledo by two scores right? Please just stop its giving me a headache how bad this whole argument is ... I mean hell you've already intimated that this whole desire to tout the PAC-12 is driven by the fact that you hate listening to SEC homers ... but lets not try to build the PAC-12 as the top conference in football because you don't like SEC fans ... hell I don't like a lot of them either but I'm not going to let that cloud my judgement.

Notre Dame has beaten 3 top 25 teams in the current BCS standings which is tied with Arizona State and Stanford for most in the country. You may hate Notre Dame but they were good last year and if they had Everton Goldston would be a top 10 team they are a legitimate top 25 team that you personally don't like, but means nothing. Second, the SEC is overrated this year, its a fact Texas A&M and LSU are both awful on defense, Alabama and Auburn are good. Missouri hasn't beaten anybody at full strength this year of significance. South Carolina played the softest SEC East schedule and still lost 2 games. Florida and Georgia have been killed by injuries. Ole Miss the team you kept bringing up as good lost to crappy Mississippi State team. The SEC is the 2nd best conference in the nation this year. The only people who feel otherwise have a connection to SEC and can't be objective. While I don't care for the SEC I can admit it has been the best conference the past 5 years, but this year is different. I would rank the conferences 1. Pac-12 2. SEC 3. B1G 4. ACC 5. Big XII