I remember the payout for the ESPN contract that was voted down last May by the BE was to be about $11 million per football member. So the ACC deal will deliver $3-4 million more to SU than that deal would have. Will the NNBE get $11 million per school now from NBC or Fox? Maybe but that is probably the max and they may not get that.
Confirmation that the ACC Schools Will Get At Least $1-2 Million Extra Per Year
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So 3.6 to 15 million -- thats a serious windfall. Facilities, facilities, facilities.
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The correction gets you closer but I do not believe your numbers are accurate yet.
ESPN already had the rights to all games controlled by the ACC, which I believe means all games hosted by ACC teams. This means ESPN already had the rights to all the games that were going to be OOC but will instead be conference games now because the football and basketball schedules expanded. Since the majority of OOC games for basketball and football are played at home, the rights for most of these OOC games will remain unaffected.
I agree that this deal is not as good as what the SEC, Big 10 or even what the Pac 10 got. The ACC doesn't get the results those conferences have gotten on the football field either.
Here are some numbers on TV revenue. The ACC is at or near the bottom of the list but there is no comparison with where it stands with the leagues below it. It will be interesting to see what the Big East gets with the new contract. I think it will be in the $11 million range ESPN offered last summer (football schools).
TV revenue deals I
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Summary
Big Ten: $236 million/year (ABC/ESPN,Big 10 Network, Fox) $19.7 million/school
Pac 1o: $225 million/year (ABC/ESPN/Fox) $18.8 million/school
SEC: $205 million/year (ABC/ESPN) $17.1 million/school
ACC: $210 million/year (ABC/ESPN) $15 million/school
Big 12: $155 million/year (ABC/ESPN,Fox) $15 million/school
Big East: $40 million/year (ABC/ESPN,CBS) $3.18/football school, $1.56/hoop school
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It includes the JP contract. ESPN basically runs the distribution and can sub-license it out, just like the Big East does with SNY.
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1. The Acc has no leverage in these negotiations becouse ESPN already owns there rights till 2023. So they can only deal with ESPN until they come to an agreement. The Big and big12 if they dont like ESPN's deal they can give them the finger like the BE did.
2. I am almost positive ESPN bought all tier rights to the ACC to stop them from getting there own network. Probably the biggest mistake in there deal. If i were the ACC i would go after the 15/year deal plus get back tier 3 rights if possible.
3. The big 12 can have a conference network but Texas and soon oklahoma can NOT be aired on it so it is worthless. it's part of texas's deal with ESPN and the Longhorn network.
4. The SEC atm can not have a conference network but Slive is already planning on getting his rights back in the next deal to start one. The Sec will be rich as hell when there next deal starts.
5. ^^the above is just what i heard so correct me if i am wrong
2. I am almost positive ESPN bought all tier rights to the ACC to stop them from getting there own network. Probably the biggest mistake in there deal. If i were the ACC i would go after the 15/year deal plus get back tier 3 rights if possible.
3. The big 12 can have a conference network but Texas and soon oklahoma can NOT be aired on it so it is worthless. it's part of texas's deal with ESPN and the Longhorn network.
4. The SEC atm can not have a conference network but Slive is already planning on getting his rights back in the next deal to start one. The Sec will be rich as hell when there next deal starts.
5. ^^the above is just what i heard so correct me if i am wrong
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Excellent post and references:
however, summing up: (please note corrections if wrong)
1) Big 10: 19.7 million each school: does this really include Big 10 network*
or should an additional 11 million be added for each school? for total of $30 million/school?
* Pac-12 Network: the network will launch in 2012 with a primary network and 6 regional networks. Revenue projections combined are expected to be in the same range if not more than the Big Ten Network, which produces $280 million per year at $11 million per school. (TV revenue deals III source)
new Big 10 football contract in 2016 and new BB contract in 2019
2) Pac 12: "Average Annual per School: $18.8 million from Fox/ABC/ESPN (* $30 million projected with Pac-12 Network) (TV revenue deals III source)
3) SEC: 17.1 million a year plus "contract is expected to be renegotiated with the addition of Texas A&M, maintaining the current per-school payout."
PLUS: "The SEC may be on it’s way to starting it’s own network that depending on future additions, could gain the conference and additional $10-$20 million per school per year"): (TV revenue deals III source)
new contract: 2024
I believe some rights are currently controlled by schools, with UFL getting approximately 9 million dollars a year. (my best recollection: please correct if wrong)
4) Big 12: $15 million a year
however, this does not include 3d tier rights controlled by schools: in the case of Texas, that = approximately an additional 15 million a year.
new tier 1 contract in 2016
5) ACC: 15 million dollars per school;
includes all rights;
no opportunity for conference network ?
contract locked in till 2026, except for "inflation" (CPI ?) and possible but unlikely addition of new schools
Additional summary: (please note corrections if wrong)
1) The Big 12 will be in a new contract in 2016; currently has the same payout as ACC, except the schools each control 3d tier rights;
2) the ACC schools could be literally at least 15 million dollars behind the schools in the PAC 12, Big 10 in the coming years; see note above re SEC.
3) The Pac 12 and Big 10 in their recent agreement to play conference games are maximizing their conference channel revenue and indicating there is unlikely to be further expansion unless a school like ND or Texas is in play.
4) The Big 12 is currently a close-knit regional conference with WVU as a very distant outpost. With Texas gaining 15 million for their 3d tier rights alone, it appears the Big 12 is stable, especially given that the Pac 12 decided not to invite OK and OSU on their own.
5) The remaining question: with the ACC locked into 15 million per school till 2026, is it possible FSU and Clemson might actually consider the Big 12, and if that happened what would the SEC do or even the Big 10?
This revenue disparity over the next 14 years is not a recipe for ACC stability.
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I still find it amazing that the P12 can get big time money. Most of their FB games are not watched by 3/4 of the country. They have one big time program but no depth what so ever. The ACC historically is superior to the P12 on the FB field. Then there is basketball where again 3/4 of the country doesn't pay attention. Not only that they play TH-SUN only. They don't let TV dictate playing MON-WED. You would think that would hurt their BBall value big time. How the hell do they get paid more than the ACC let alone the SEC?!!!!!
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Good question. Cheerleaders?
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This deal also seems to assume schools like FSU and Miami won't be back.
The Rivals recruiting rankings, for whatever they are worth, include: FSU as #6, Miami #9, Clemson 14, VT 21.
I also believe, for what it is worth, that SU and Pitt will be far stronger, more competitive, interesting teams by joining a major conference like the ACC, having more conference income, better recruits, which will result in a lot more interest in a true north-south ACC competition; an interest that was not achieved when BC was the only northeast team.
Regardless, the ACC is apparently locked in to a deal to 2026, 14 years from now.
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ACC accepted the first offer ESPN sent them and the PAC 12 rejected the offer and went to the open market.
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Since the D1A and D1AA split:
P12 Top 10 finishes 57
ACC Top 10 finishes 60
P12 has been better at Top 10 finishes. They have 3 less in total but also have 2 less teams. However when it comes to National Titles they have half as many.
P12 NCs 5
ACC NCs 9
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I don't think the ACC had the ability to go to the open market in the near future. They Did have the ability to facilitate a higher payout by doing such things as extending the length of the contract. Whether one thinks they got value for extending is a different question. Another question is the nature of the "inflater".
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If that is all the ACC is going to get and they are really locked in for that long, then this TV deal makes the Dome naming rights look like small potatoes.
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