Congressional action is coming towards collegiate athletics

[Acesn8s]

Schools were able to provide full scholarships to all of these athletes in the 1980’s, 1990’s, and early 2000’s before the massive influx of tv money.

Where is that tv money going?

College coaches are the highest paid state employees in much of our country. Schools are building temples to football and basketball and a few years later tearing them down and rebuilding.

The increased liquidity from tv money is causing massive inflation in the revenue sports coaching industry (salary and buyouts) because the money has to be spent somewhere.

Also we say the scholarship has a value of $70,000 however most of these players would receive federal subsidies and other need based aid that would drop the cost of attendance well under that amount without football.

Analysis: After Dabo Swinney's deal, how high can college football salaries go? Keep watching.

Dabo Swinney's record $93 million deal with Clemson begs the question of how high salaries can go for college football coaches.

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What Division 1 school has a four year tuition, room and board, top of the line nutritionist, top of the line cooks for $70 grand? Also the TV money goes to fund all of the other sports, the coaches, the cost of travel, the cost of everything for a University.

 

[TheCusian]

Not to mention, if we're being completely real here - a fair number of football and basketball players would not get into some of these schools based solely on academics. A free education, stipend & being BMOC is nothing to scoff at.

this is the same justification that has been used for years to allow for the disparity

we’re doing them a favor, they should just be happy with the education, while we siphon off an ungodly amount of money to pay a coach to not coach here anymore

 

[elimunelson]

this is the same justification that has been used for years to allow for the disparity

we’re doing them a favor, they should just be happy with the education, while we siphon off an ungodly amount of money to pay a coach to not coach here anymore

the entire house of cards fall over once federal government makes it harder to get financing for college and/or you can file for bankruptcy and default on student loans.

Let either/both happen and you will see all of this come down.

 

[Ozcuse]

What Division 1 school has a four year tuition, room and board, top of the line nutritionist, top of the line cooks for $70 grand? Also the TV money goes to fund all of the other sports, the coaches, the cost of travel, the cost of everything for a University.

Schools did all of that before tv money. TV money allowed them to grow the administration side, build ridiculous athletic infrastr buildings, and any other cost they could think of except paying the players.

And the $70,000 is per year, not for 4.

And we all know it’s not really $70,000 per year cost to the school. That’s what they charge the rich dumb kids to subsidize the ones who get in free or with massive subsidies.

 

[chugg21]

If more non revenue sports are chopped, that is deplorable. The opportunity to earn an athletic scholarship should not be reserved to the few privileged athletes in basketball and football.

They are the ones bringing in all of the money for the athletic budget though so pretty hard to argue. Even if they were to get paid, they would still be a net positive to the budget. Tough to complain about money at the school when every non football/basketball athlete is costing the school money without bringing in a cent.

 

[TheCusian]

One other thing I would like to vent about, I am so sick of hearing how much coaches make, and how much athletic directors make or even conference commissioners make. They make what they are able to make at the top 1 percent of their professions. Only Division 1 coaches at the highest level are making huge amount of money. The head coaches at the D2 or D3 level make a small fraction of what their counterparts make. It is just like any other profession. IF the 99 percent of these scholarship athletes use their free scholarship, work hard, use their connections, they can make a very solid living as well. And then the 1 percent who make it to the NFL they will be compensated as the market demands and be paid for handsomely for their talent.

they are reaping the benefits of a system that doesn’t pay the workers fairly

it’s not too far off from “we built this plantation on the backs of the free labor what else are we supposed to with all this money”

 

[Doc5120]

this is the same justification that has been used for years to allow for the disparity

we’re doing them a favor, they should just be happy with the education, while we siphon off an ungodly amount of money to pay a coach to not coach here anymore

I didn't say I agree with what the coaches are making. I think they are overcompensated.

As an example, somehow a paper Paul Harris wrote back in the day got into circulation and I read it. I'm not exaggerating when I say my son (going into 2nd grade) writes at nearly the same level. That is truly sad. This probably speaks more to the discrepancy in education within rural & inner city areas, and the opportunities (or lack there of) afforded to those kids. But if you are fortunate enough to be talented and get into college, take advantage of it.

 

[Ozcuse]

they are reaping the benefits of a system that doesn’t pay the workers fairly

it’s not too far off from “we built this plantation on the backs of the free labor what else are we supposed to with all this money”

Hey those slaves learned a trade and got a roof over their heads! They should be happy! I didn’t get to learn for free or get a roof over my head at that age!

 

[All4SU]

They are the ones bringing in all of the money for the athletic budget though so pretty hard to argue. Even if they were to get paid, they would still be a net positive to the budget. Tough to complain about money at the school when every non football/basketball athlete is costing the school money without bringing in a cent.

No student athletes should be paid.

 

[chugg21]

No student athletes should be paid.

No one teaching the game to those student athletes should make $10 million/year.

 

[Ozcuse]

No student athletes should be paid.

Why?

 

[TheCusian]

the entire house of cards fall over once federal government makes it harder to get financing for college and/or you can file for bankruptcy and default on student loans.

Let either/both happen and you will see all of this come down.

maybe for the better. Prob unsustainable anyways

 

[Chip]

No one teaching the game to those student athletes should make $10 million/year.

You could keep going (no TV network should pay $X for rights to broadcast a game, no fan should pay $X for a ticket to watch a game).

Until you resolve the money coming in, you can't solve the money going out.

 

[All4SU]

Why?

Because the job of a university is education. A scholarship is a pathway to education. At the levels of professionalism we are seeing at universities now, education is no longer the priority, and we have undermined the very purpose of an education. We are doing a great disservice to generations of kids, by using them to make money. We should be helping them by educating them. The emphasis is out of whack, and paying college kids is a short term bandaid to placate people while we continue to use them. Too much money. Too much corruption. Too little emphasis on education. Let professional leagues pay kids. Let college kids get educated, even if it means colleges lose money on athletics.

 

[Orijinal]

they are reaping the benefits of a system that doesn’t pay the workers fairly

it’s not too far off from “we built this plantation on the backs of the free labor what else are we supposed to with all this money”

I was waiting for this argument. Everyone is a racist and academic institutions treat athletes like slaves.

Slaves made nothing and some were bruised and abused. This is not slavery or racism ...in absolutely no sense of the word ...to even compare it to that is absolutely disingenuous.

Student athletes across many different sports benefit from a $70,000/ year (!!!!) education ...and now stipends to get through school.
Student athletes have every choice and option to go to school or not, and many have a plethora of choices on which institution they want to attend. No one is dragging them away from their homes and making them do forced labor in a place they don't want to be. Parents and students know what they sign up for. I'm so tired of this argument

 

[dan7800]

Not to mention, if we're being completely real here - a fair number of football and basketball players would not get into some of these schools based solely on academics. A free education, stipend & being BMOC is nothing to scoff at.

I wonder how many would have gotten into these schools based purely on their academic abilities?

 

[Ozcuse]

Because the job of a university is education. A scholarship is a pathway to education. At the levels of professionalism we are seeing at universities now, education is no longer the priority, and we have undermined the very purpose of an education. We are doing a great disservice to generations of kids, by using them to make money. We should be helping them by educating them. The emphasis is out of whack, and paying college kids is a short term bandaid to placate people while we continue to use them. Too much money. Too much corruption. Too little emphasis on education. Let professional leagues pay kids. Let college kids get educated, even if it means colleges lose money on athletics.

I agree. Schools have become de facto minor league for the nba and nfl and are being paid handsomely for it.

But as long as schools like SU are getting paid $40 million a year for the rights to show their football and basketball games, the players who make that possible should be compensated more than the field hockey or men’s golf player who gets the same exact scholarship. Title IX blah blah blah there would be no Title IX without football and basketball.

 

[Ozcuse]

I was waiting for this argument. Everyone is a racist and academic institutions treat athletes like slaves.

Slaves made nothing and some were bruised and abused. This is not slavery or racism ...in absolutely no sense of the word ...to even compare it to that is absolutely disingenuous.

Student athletes across many different sports benefit from a $70,000/ year (!!!!) education ...and now stipends to get through school.
Student athletes have every choice and option to go to school or not, and many have a plethora of choices on which institution they want to attend. No one is dragging them away from their homes and making them do forced labor in a place they don't want to be. Parents and students know what they sign up for. I'm so tired of this argument

It’s indentured servitude. We even punish players by making them sit out a year if they want to go be an indentured servant for someone else! Coaches can come and go as they please though.

 

[Bayside44]

Senators Announce Proposal for 'College Athletes Bill of Rights'

A group of U.S. senators plans to introduce in Congress “a college athletes bill of rights” seeking to guarantee NCAA players monetary compensation, long-term healthcare, lifetime educational scholarships and more eligibility freedoms.

www.si.com

Players are going to get more.
I expect a lot of non-revenue sports across the nation to get the axe.

Legislatively speaking this goes nowhere.

 

[chugg21]

I wonder how many would have gotten into these schools based purely on their academic abilities?

Minimal but then how many of us would have been wanting to go to Syracuse if the football/basketball history didn't exist? I wouldn't have. Would have just went to Geneseo or something else.

 

[timkay99]

I agree. Schools have become de facto minor league for the nba and nfl and are being paid handsomely for it.

But as long as schools like SU are getting paid $40 million a year for the rights to show their football and basketball games, the players who make that possible should be compensated more than the field hockey or men’s golf player who gets the same exact scholarship. Title IX blah blah blah there would be no Title IX without football and basketball.

Do you think field hockey players or men's golf players get full scholarships?

 

[RandomGuy]

I was waiting for this argument. Everyone is a racist and academic institutions treat athletes like slaves.

Slaves made nothing and some were bruised and abused. This is not slavery or racism ...in absolutely no sense of the word ...to even compare it to that is absolutely disingenuous.

Student athletes across many different sports benefit from a $70,000/ year (!!!!) education ...and now stipends to get through school.
Student athletes have every choice and option to go to school or not, and many have a plethora of choices on which institution they want to attend. No one is dragging them away from their homes and making them do forced labor in a place they don't want to be. Parents and students know what they sign up for. I'm so tired of this argument

Its the argument of Walter Byers. The former president of the NCAA, that came up with the term "student athlete". In 1995 he called it a neo-plantation, and the system out dated. He could no longer morally support the system he designed.

 

[chugg21]

You could keep going (no TV network should pay $X for rights to broadcast a game, no fan should pay $X for a ticket to watch a game).

Until you resolve the money coming in, you can't solve the money going out.

This is like the argument that happens after every time kids are massacred in a school shooting. Most people see there is an issue but we might as well just wait for it to get worse because the perfect solution isn't just painted on the wall for everyone to read. Everyone is paralyzed because they are afraid to only make something better instead of perfect.

 

[chugg21]

Do you think field hockey players or men's golf players get full scholarships?

Everyone's aware they don't. Do you think that they are a net positive on the balance sheet?

 

[timkay99]

Everyone's aware they don't. Do you think that they are a net positive on the balance sheet?

I replied to the person who said that the member of those sports team got the exact same scholarship as a football player. Hint - they don't. Maybe 1 player, but it is a partial scholarship sport.

I would wager they are closer to positive then you think, as their athletes will pay tuition to the school.