could broyld have bridgewater success if starter next year

[SoBristol]

Why does every thread get so hijacked?

Nassib will be the QB next year with Hunt likely getting some series. If Broyld comes in and shows alot of good, I think the coaches will figure out a way to get him on the field. Marrone will do whatever it takes to win next year. This will be 90-95% his team.

If Marrone was an imaginative, decisive coach, he would be moving Kinder to WR, figuring out how to get Broyld on the field ASAP in wildcat formations or as a wingback, and working in Hunt for more than an occasional series. He isn't going to have a 1000 yd runner -- he needs to be figuring out ways to use a variety of playmakers.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

SO CAN YOU READ? show me what part of my post says nassib sucks or marrone sucks

we are STUCK with nassib- thats written in stone

This seems to be a pretty fair indication that you don't think too highly of our quarterback.

but he isnt the weakest issue on offense anyway-untill marrone finds a oline coach or gets the one he hired to earn his pay and finds a way to keep players like macky on the sidelines

You're implying that Marrone can't find a coach to run a quality O-Line.

we wont run anything other than the "dead horse" offense we have seen for 3 seasons

You're implying that the offense is terrible and that Marrone is in very large part responsible.

Also, speaking of beating a dead horse, we know you don't like Macky. But the coach does.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

this is year 4 of Doug hes desperate to put together a consistent season even with our pinstripe bowl banner season we were an engima. Winning on road, losing at home its been a strange two years. I believe he will do whatever it takes to win and tinker with his philosophy of football.

 

[Pyle]

Are you just assuming that other players MUST be better even though you've never seen them first hand?

Yes. I admit to this. I have no first hand knowledge of Kinder, Hunt, Broyld, or Loeb. I would just pray that one of them is able to not cough up the football 4 times in the biggest game of their career. Yes it's an assumption but one I have to make as a fan, because if I don't then all hope is lost.

 

[Orangetradition44]

teddy was a 5 star for whatever thats worth. .

Man, I'm lost... who's teddy?

 

[Pyle]

I think his point is that in almost every thread you post in, you take a shot at Marrone. It does grow tiresome.

To your question about "does L'ville really have that many more weapons?" Yes, they really do.

WR Devante Parker 4* Frosh, WR Michaelee Harris 4* w/ high major offers, RB Vic Anderson 4* w/ high major offers, RB Dominique Brown 3* w/ Ohio State offer, TE Josh Chichester 4* w/ Ohio State offer.

Now I'm not a huge fan of the star system but when recruits have offers from Ohio State, Miami, Tennessee, etc. to go along with the stars then I buy in a bit more. Plus their O-line played alot better than ours last year.

Nassib would be better if he had all of Bridgewaters weapons to work with. We have a couple really good guys, but not anywhere near that number. Even if you got your wish and Broyld, Hunt, or Kinder got the start next year they will suffer from the same issues as Nassib until the OL and more skill players step up.

Nassib has earned his final year at starting QB, and all the guys you hope to see will be better served to be playing a year further along in the system. The O-line will have some fresh faces again next year whereas when the next QB takes over most pieces will be familiar with one another. Also, the skill guys we are landing this year will be in their 2nd season when the next QB takes over. The next QB that starts in 2 seasons will be in alot better position than Nassib has been in as a starter. Nassib being the starter again next year helps with that process.

If Nassib had more weapons how does that help him slow down the velocity on short passes to make them more catchable? How does it help him to escape pocket pressure instead of tumble like a falling statue? How does it help him spot the wide open WRs? How does it help him to not throw a deep ball 15 yards beyond the deepest WR?

Nassib earned his final year as a starter? Heck of a reward for single handedly turning the ball over 4 times vs Pitt. For those who think I'm being too hard on him, sorry but he is the front man for a D1 BCS AQ team. Have to be able to take the heat in that position. Do we have other problems? Yes, but I think this team is 7-5/8-4 with a QB as good as the Cincy backup who ran all over us.

 

[ImperialOrange]

If Nassib had more weapons how does that help him slow down the velocity on short passes to make them more catchable? How does it help him to escape pocket pressure instead of tumble like a falling statue? How does it help him spot the wide open WRs? How does it help him to not throw a deep ball 15 yards beyond the deepest WR?

Short passes need to have zip, better receivers catch those consistantly. Better O line play = less pocket pressure. More time in the pocket = spotting more receivers. More time in the pocket allows you to step into throws instead of firing to where you think the WR will be. Faster WR's with more seperation give bigger windows to throw into so you can take some heat off them or a "go get it" WR allows QB's to throw to dangerous spots with confidence instead of trying for a perfect throw.

Nassib, WR's, and O-line were all frusterating last year. If one of those improves, it makes the other 2 look better. Doesn't much matter which one but you can argue for or against any one you'd like depending on the point you want to make. End game, they all need to get better.

We could've been 8-4 with better/different QB, WR/TE, or Oline play. We also could've been 3-9 with different options. The line wouldn't have blocked any better or worse for any of the other QB's last year. The WR's may have caught more or less. realistically, it's not a simple one person fix anyway you look at it. It's a rebuilding process and we are knee deep in it. The rest is all theory and some people spew it as facts. Not targetting you specifically, just in general.

Charlie Loeb throws a great deep ball though so maybe he was the answer!? Kinder can run so maybe he's was the answer!? Hunt can run and throw maybe so maybe he was the answer?!

Loeb likely would've got destroyed in the pocket, Kinder would've likely thrown alot more picks and fewer TD's, and Hunt wasn't ready since he didn't know the playbook yet. Who knows how well any of them will hold onto the ball when hit? Our best QB last season played QB for us last season.

If the oline proves capable Nassib will have a good final year, then Loeb could do well as a one year starter, and then Hunt or Broyld from that point forward. If the oline is still suspect it'll likely be Nassib next year followed by Hunt or Broyld with no Loeb year in between.

Or maybe we'll land a Bridgewater, or rent a Cam Newton in the mean time and then all bets are off.

 

[xc84]

yes, I understand nassib will be QB

I don't think Nassib will be the starter for most of the games.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I don't think Nassib will be the starter for most of the games.

Why not?

 

[MikeSU02]

yes, I understand nassib will be QB, and teddy was a 5 star for whatever thats worth. Broyld has a bigger build and is prob as fast as teddy...passing wise it might be a scratch, but if he can come in and play well as a freshmen I dont see why Broyld cant do the same thing.

I mean does LVille have that many more O weapons then we would next year...I don't think so...those damn dual threat qbs work wonders and make o-lines look greater then they really are.

I can't imagine a scenario in which AB can replicate Teddy in the immediate future. What I would love to see, if AB has the ability once he gets on campus, is to have a package of plays for him (or Hunt) to run during the year.

I am hoping that AB can out play Hunt solely because of size. But I'll be just as happy if Hunt can do the job.

 

[realcusefan888]

yes, I understand nassib will be QB, and teddy was a 5 star for whatever thats worth. Broyld has a bigger build and is prob as fast as teddy...passing wise it might be a scratch, but if he can come in and play well as a freshmen I dont see why Broyld cant do the same thing.

I mean does LVille have that many more O weapons then we would next year...I don't think so...those damn dual threat qbs work wonders and make o-lines look greater then they really are.

its a agreat question but i believe the answer is NO simply due to coaching. the ville does NOT have better talent on offense than the cuse. if you have watched louisville and their handling of bridgewater, they have played to win...no kid gloves, have taken chances. heck, after he turned it over in the bowl game last night they came out, ran play action, and threw a completion deep down the middle! that would never happen with hackone. simply just wouldnt. they are both talented but i think hunt is the next starting qb. not sure broyld has what it takes mentally to start right away. his problems in hs, and then the need for prep school are flags in my opinion.

 

[IHeartSUFball]

its a agreat question but i believe the answer is NO simply due to coaching. the ville does NOT have better talent on offense than the cuse. if you have watched louisville and their handling of bridgewater, they have played to win...no kid gloves, have taken chances. heck, after he turned it over in the bowl game last night they came out, ran play action, and threw a completion deep down the middle! that would never happen with hackone. simply just wouldnt. they are both talented but i think hunt is the next starting qb. not sure broyld has what it takes mentally to start right away. his problems in hs, and then the need for prep school are flags in my opinion.

Your right there, Bridgewater was rolling out and throwing all type of crazy passes that in some instances worked out well for him. Were not big on the risk/reward stuff, HOWEVER we never really got any seperation downfield by our wideouts and when we did a few times nassib threw the passes 10 yards passed the WRs. I have a strong believer that Doug will open it up and change somethings up that matches our personal... next year is pivotal for the programs direction

 

[Fjoinkay]

What little of the game I managed to see, I saw TB under heavy pressure on most passing downs, and he used his feet to make some nice plays. He makes his OL look better. On top of that he throws very well. He's a very exciting college quarterback. I doubt anyone on the SU roster this year compares otherwise we would have seen him. I've only seen old tape of AB, and the big question I have is his arm.

 

[xc84]

Why not?

Because I think someone will beat him out. He's had his shot but frankly, he does not think fast enough. If the first pass option does not work or he gets pressured, he has trouble deciding his next move. Too deliberate. I think if Hunt (or even Broyld) can show he can run and more importantly that he knows WHEN to run, he'll start. They need a guy who can do more than Nassib has been able to do. If Nassib improves his response time and decision-making ability, maybe he will keep his position. I just don't see it happening.

 

[OrangePA]

Joe do yourself a favor and dont read my post. The fact is that Doug didnt play another QB at all this year. why would anyone think that he will do anything different next year given the fact that nassib is back? Sorry but Doug is too conservative to give Broyld a shot next year and im sure the kid could use a RS. I just hope that he gives Hunt and Kinder a shot.

Joe do yourself a favor and dont read my post. The fact is that Doug didnt play another QB at all this year. why would anyone think that he will do anything different next year given the fact that nassib is back? Sorry but Doug is too conservative to give Broyld a shot next year and im sure the kid could use a RS. I just hope that he gives Hunt and Kinder a shot.

Well, in 2009 he did bring Nassib with certain packages.

So, he may be willing to do something similar next year.

He has already made it clear that the offense needs more big play capability.

So, the idea of bringing a great athlete in from time to time would make be consistent with that goal.

I am looking forward too watching Ashton. I hope he is given a real good chance to make it at QB.

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

Your right there, Bridgewater was rolling out and throwing all type of crazy passes that in some instances worked out well for him. Were not big on the risk/reward stuff, HOWEVER we never really got any seperation downfield by our wideouts and when we did a few times nassib threw the passes 10 yards passed the WRs. I have a strong believer that Doug will open it up and change somethings up that matches our personal... next year is pivotal for the programs direction

It also helps when Bridgewater extended the play out of the pocket. Makes a difference when he can roll out and give the receiver another 5 seconds to get open or break off a route towards the rolling QB.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

It also helps when Bridgewater extended the play out of the pocket. Makes a difference when he can roll out and give the receiver another 5 seconds to get open or break off a route towards the rolling QB.

It also helps to not have a RT who whiffs on pass protection, leading to a "roll" that gets crushed prior to being able to add the "out." I am no X's and O's guy, but I really think this is understated. Ryan has the arm to throw across the body, and enough speed to pick up first downs with his legs... If Hickey stays healthy, or Curtis picks up where he left off last camp, I think you will see a big statistical jump just because this play will be there more often.

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

It also helps to not have a RT who whiffs on pass protection, leading to a "roll" that gets crushed prior to being able to add the "out." I am no X's and O's guy, but I really think this is understated. Ryan has the arm to throw across the body, and enough speed to pick up first downs with his legs... If Hickey stays healthy, or Curtis picks up where he left off last camp, I think you will see a big statistical jump just because this play will be there more often.

Agreed. I'm not saying Ryan doesn't have the ability, just that Bridgewater seemed to be more apt to do that and is a better athlete. It's the same type of play Big Ben makes all the time when healthy in Pittsburgh. He's above average trying to hit receivers running normal routes, but becomes unreal when he extends the play and his receivers break off routes and run open against DB's. If Ryan can be 'comfortably flushed' from the pocket without being dragged down immediately and after going through his reads, I like his ability to throw on the run and make some plays that cannot be found in a playbook.

 

[GoSU96]

Hunt and Kinder aren't ready to play. If you watched the Spring game, you could see. Yes they are athletic, but they aren't ready to read defenses, and play quarterback at the D1 level yet. In order to "try" those other QBs, because of the vastly different skill set, you have to completely change your offense. You don't just stick those players in the same offense and say "go do it." And that late in the season is not the time to completely change your offense. Sorry, there was no reason to stick either of those players in.

You saw Hunt in the spring game?

That would be remarkable, since he was still in HS at the time.

 

[Rocco]

He isn't going to have a 1000 yd runner -- he needs to be figuring out ways to use a variety of playmakers.

You're right. George Morris will rush for 1500 yards.