Creighton taking future Syracuse head coach to the Woodshed

[sutomcat]

And yet, “you have to do more than look at a few numbers to make an informed judgment.” Mind you, none of that includes actually watching him ever play a wink either, and to additionally conclude as well that he has “major holes in his game.”

His numbers show he is an extreme example of a limited player. A jump shot specialist.

He is a fine shooter. His efficiency numbers are good. But there is nothing else to his game.

To take my point to an extreme, how valuable is a great shooter if he can never get a shot off? A player who only averages 10 ppg playing 34 plus minutes a game and is not a good passer and not good at getting steals or rebounds, is not someone who should be aspired to. He has little ability to impact a game.

 

[djcon57]

His numbers show he is an extreme example of a limited player. A jump shot specialist.

He is a fine shooter. His efficiency numbers are good. But there is nothing else to his game.

To take my point to an extreme, how valuable is a great shooter if he can never get a shot off? A player who only averages 10 ppg playing 34 plus minutes a game and is not a good passer and not good at getting steals or rebounds, is not someone who should be aspired to. He has little ability to impact a game.

You‘ve never seen him or Creighton play in the 4 years he’s been there and you are saying he has little ability to impact a game.

today...He was 6-8 from 3 in a win over #5 Villanova.
also, 4 boards, 3 assists, and 2 steals.

i just don’t know what you are trying to do here.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Ballock is a system guy. 6’3” three point specialist. He would be a misfit at the top of the zone and make buddy look like a AA. He gets looks at Creighton because they have 4 plus other guys that bomb threes and you can’t guard everyone of them.

 

[Alsacs]

Ballock is a system guy. 6’3” three point specialist. He would be a misfit at the top of the zone and make buddy look like a AA. He gets looks at Creighton because they have 4 plus other guys that bomb threes and you can’t guard everyone of them.

Now describe what Buddy is.

 

[HOFCeluck]

His numbers show he is an extreme example of a limited player. A jump shot specialist.

He is a fine shooter. His efficiency numbers are good. But there is nothing else to his game.

It’s funny because this quote in isolation makes it very hard to know what player were talking about.

Well, until you get to the part about efficiency anyway...

 

[OmahaCuse]

Now describe what Buddy is.

Better overall offensive player and 3-4 more inches at top of zone, more reach.

 

[djcon57]

Better overall offensive player and 3-4 more inches at top of zone, more reach.

you don’t have to play zone on D, you know. no one said he would be better on Syracuse.

It was said Buddy should aspire to be him, I think most in the thread (or at least those that have seen him play) recognized it was specifically targetted to his efficient play and that fact he doesnt force shots which in turn helps his TS% immensely.

...and he makes the majority of his open shots. That helps too.

 

[Alsacs]

Better overall offensive player and 3-4 more inches at top of zone, more reach.

I respectfully think you overrate Buddy.
I want him to be what Ballock is.
A role player.

Buddy shouldn’t be taking the most shots on this team.
He can shoot but the idea he is an elite shooter is said to spin he is better than he is.

If people want to overrate him then we get what we have seen this year.
I don’t think his PPG is impressive when he shoots as much as he does.
Alan shoots better than Buddy across the board and he doesn’t get called the “shooter” Buddy does.

Buddy is a high volume, streak shooter when he gets the ball in catch and shoot situations is effective.

If you think his defense is good that is your opinion.

I believe Buddy is the 4th best player on this team. I would take Quincy, Alan, and Kadary before him.

Ballock isn’t an elite player but he is a role player you win games with because he is in the proper role and not asked to carry the team.

 

[OrangeDW]

I’d much prefer Buddy to be averaging 10 ppg on far better percentages.

 

[Alsacs]

Buddy would be a Robert Horry on a good team.

This team asks him to be Kobe Bryant which he isn’t.
That is on the staff not the kid.

 

[UnderHisOwnPower]

you don’t have to play zone on D, you know. no one said he would be better on Syracuse.

It was said Buddy should aspire to be him, I think most in the thread (or at least those that have seen him play) recognized it was specifically targetted to his efficient play and that fact he doesnt force shots which in turn helps his TS% immensely.

...and he makes the majority of his open shots. That helps too.

And he can lower his head and get all the way to the rim, and he's older, and he's more physical. Pretty admirable aspirations for Jackson IMHO

 

[DaCuse]

Would we/could we pay Jay Wright more than Villanova does?

 

[jgeorge322]

Buddy would be a Robert Horry on a good team.

This team asks him to be Kobe Bryant which he isn’t.
That is on the staff not the kid.

i tend to agree with this perspective. Buddy is really good. He just doesnt deserve 40 minutes a game and would be an awesome 3rd or fourth option on a team, not your go to player.

 

[samspann1]

Is the Big East worse than the ACC this year?

was thinking the same thing. The ACC is pretty bad this year.

 

[Chip]

And I don't mean the former bar in Oswego.

I miss the Shed. Many a forgotten night at that fork in the road.

 

[Cuserulz]

No. Not a Creighton fan. I watch Syracuse and the ACC. That is about it.

i tried quickly to find an up to date ranking of conferences comparing the ACC to the Big East and failed. My guess is that the B1G and the B12 are well ahead of all other conferences.

No question the ACC is down this year. It isn’t very good. But the New Big East is down as well.

For the little I have seen of the New Big East, it looks like the teams are in general tougher and less talented than their ACC counterparts. The only head to head against better teams i know of off the top of my mind is that V Tech played Nova early and won in OT.

My guess is that the ACC is ranked higher. But with so few OOC games, it is really hard to compare conferences this season.

So, through your own admition, you have no clue.

 

[Cuserulz]

Ballock is a system guy. 6’3” three point specialist. He would be a misfit at the top of the zone and make buddy look like a AA. He gets looks at Creighton because they have 4 plus other guys that bomb threes and you can’t guard everyone of them.

Buddy is a system guy in a broken system, so what is your point.

 

[sutomcat]

So, through your own admition, you have no clue.

No. Clearly that is you.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Buddy is a system guy in a broken system, so what is your point.

Follow both teams. My point is Buddy is a better player and has more upside for professional ball. People want Buddy to be more like Ballock, its comparing apples and oranges. Thats my point.

 

[djcon57]

Follow both teams. My point is Buddy is a better player and has more upside for professional ball. People want Buddy to be more like Ballock, its comparing apples and oranges. Thats my point.

professional ball?

oh no.

(unless you are talking about a low level euro team...I mean, Frank Howard played/plays in one too)

 

[Alsacs]

I actually feel bad for Buddy.
He isn’t a bad player.
His role in this offense allows for him to play the most minutes in the backcourt and take the most shots.

 

[Alsacs]

I don’t think Buddy is as good as the role the coaching staff has given him.
That is the problem.
He gets criticism because he is being asked to do what he shouldn’t have too.
JB and the staff did this to Trevor Cooney as well.

You can’t ask players to do more than they should. It sucks for Buddy.
JB is fair game after he decided he wants to air grievances.

I wish Buddy was playing the role that Ballock is.

 

[Reilly35]

I can't believe I'm wading into this, but c'est la vie:

If we are only using this year's stats:

Buddy: 38% FG, 31% 3PT, 13.0 PER, 47% TS, 45% eFG, .078 WS/40, BPM 0.5, FGA/game 14.6
Ballock: 46% FG, 39% 3PT, 13.9 PER, 61% TS, 61% eFG, .123 WS/40, BPM 5.5, FGA/game 8.3

If Buddy was as efficient as Ballock, it would be amazing. Aspirations aside.

So Ballock just chills on the line and waits for a pass to shoot and doesn’t get any rebounds? But he’s better?

 

[Reilly35]

His numbers show he is an extreme example of a limited player. A jump shot specialist.

He is a fine shooter. His efficiency numbers are good. But there is nothing else to his game.

To take my point to an extreme, how valuable is a great shooter if he can never get a shot off? A player who only averages 10 ppg playing 34 plus minutes a game and is not a good passer and not good at getting steals or rebounds, is not someone who should be aspired to. He has little ability to impact a game.

Ballock is 46% on free throws this year. This board would go nuts. Well he’s on taken 13 attempts.

 

[orangecuse]

So Ballock just chills on the line and waits for a pass to shoot and doesn’t get any rebounds? But he’s better?

Kyle Korver has made a nice living in the NBA for years just "chilling" on the line, not doing much of anything else.