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Curious: How Many of you have gone to ACC Scout boards

Here is what will happen. For 20 years the dilemma has been 4 super conferences or 5. 4x16, 5x16 or 5x14. How many teams is enough? How many teams are too many? There are 2 teams and 2 teams only who will ultimately decide this. Notre Dame primarily, then Texas.

1. If ND ever goes fully to the ACC, then the B12 will be killed off and we will have 4 supers.

2. If ND ever goes fully to the B12, then the ACC (as we know it) will be killed off and we will have 4 supers.

3. If ND ever goes fully to the B10 (or somehow stays indy for eternity) both the ACC and B12 will likely survive and we will have 5 supers.

Unless....

4. #3 happens with ND and then Texas bails the B12 for the PAC10 or B10. Then the B12 dies and we have 4 supers.

Scenario 1, 2 and 4 leaves us with 4 supers while scenario 3 leaves us with 5. So figure out what ND does and to some extent Texas, and you will have the end game partially figured out and then will need to place what teams where.

This is why the courtship of ND by both the ACC and B12 has been strong. Its a death match between those two conferences.

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There is no way for Notre Dame to go to the Big 12...nothing in common and dont even play similar sports like hockey, lacrosse, etc....Notre Dame goes to the ACC or B1g sooner or later. Texas and OU will leave the Big 12 probably in next 5 years...dont care that a GOR has been signed, as said in other threads contracts are to be broken...
 
I sometimes visit other boards and still have never seen his posts and rarely WVU posts. I am sure the things he has said based on posts here aren't reality but I still maintain none of this has anything to do with what he says. It seems as though he reacts to what is going on and embellishes and spins. But he is certainly not the genesis of what ia actually going on in discussions between conferences and schools.

BTW, those who said things will look pretty much the same in 5 years haven't paid attention the past 20 years. There will be more changes as this is only about 75% to the ultimate end game.

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Bees, here are names of WVU trolls that should never be allowed on our board (go to ACC Clowns...as example, on FSU board and the WVU trolls are having discussion mostly among themselves)---and shout down the FSU posters:
Dude WVU
Doc Hollida
JmjsinnsysWVD
BillbranskyWVU
Fprio
MTHheel
Soonern Volverd 1
WVeers
Rumaypal
CMRHEEL
Cebmaker
WUVdave902

Seriously, if you dont want our board to go to hell you will monitor these posters...closely.
 
Bees, here are names of WVU trolls that should never be allowed on our board (go to ACC Clowns...as example, on FSU board and the WVU trolls are having discussion mostly among themselves)---and shout down the FSU posters:
Dude WVU
Doc Hollida
JmjsinnsysWVD
BillbranskyWVU
Fprio
MTHheel
Soonern Volverd 1
WVeers
Rumaypal
CMRHEEL
Cebmaker
WUVdave902

Seriously, if you dont want our board to go to hell you will monitor these posters...closely.

Every board has people like that. The subject is just different.

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There is no way for Notre Dame to go to the Big 12...nothing in common and dont even play similar sports like hockey, lacrosse, etc....Notre Dame goes to the ACC or B1g sooner or later. Texas and OU will leave the Big 12 probably in next 5 years...dont care that a GOR has been signed, as said in other threads contracts are to be broken...

So your opinion is 4x16.

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Just to clarify, I believe the Dude doesn't go by the Dude on the Scout boards, but rather by the handle Atomic Noodle and for the most part limits his posting mostly to the Eers' boards.

Cheers,
Neil
 
Every board has people like that. The subject is just different.

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Nobody has a troll army the size of WVU -- nobody. For some strange reason, you keep denying that said army has had anything to do with creating a lot of the twitter/message board nonsense. They most certainly have. And this coming from someone who actually believes Greg Swaim is reputable.
 
I also don't believe there will likely ever be 4X16. ND, UT, the academic snobbery of the BiG and the ACC, and the limited number of good expansion candidates for the Pac are the internal forces that will work against it and the tv partners will be one of the external forces to work against.

Cheers,
Neil
 
Nobody has a troll army the size of WVU -- nobody. For some strange reason, you keep denying that said army has had anything to do with creating a lot of the twitter/message board nonsense. They most certainly have. And this coming from someone who actually believes Greg Swaim is reputable.

I never denied they created any twitter or message board nonsense. I have said they did not create the reality of teams and conferences talking (regardless of the outcome). Many here in the beginning claimed nothing at all was going on and it was just internet BS.

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I don't see how 4 x 16 can happen with the B12 still in place as one of the 4. The only place that the Pac10 can poach schools from to get to 16 is the B12.
 
I already spend a disturbing amount of time reading this board. I'd have no life if I went to other boards!
 
Right now you have 62 teams in 5 conferences. Louisville, Notre Dame, Connecticut, Cincinnati,Rutgers, Usf, Ucf, East Carolina, SMU, Houston, BYU,Boise St, Navy,Army,Air Force won't be left out. You need at least 5 conferences of 16 teams, or the government gets involved because of Title 9. The SEC especially because of their track record in education, doesn't want the congress looking into their records.
 
Short of Notre Dame making a move, I doubt we see another seismic change in the landscape for at least 8-10 years. Between changing schools and changing BCS format, it will take that long just for everyone to evaluate what their next steps will be.
 
Right now you have 62 teams in 5 conferences. Louisville, Notre Dame, Connecticut, Cincinnati,Rutgers, Usf, Ucf, East Carolina, SMU, Houston, BYU,Boise St, Navy,Army,Air Force won't be left out. You need at least 5 conferences of 16 teams, or the government gets involved because of Title 9. The SEC especially because of their track record in education, doesn't want the congress looking into their records.

What does Title 9 have to do with conference realignment? Nobody is saying teams not in the super conferences have to drop football.

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Right now you have 62 teams in 5 conferences. Louisville, Notre Dame, Connecticut, Cincinnati,Rutgers, Usf, Ucf, East Carolina, SMU, Houston, BYU,Boise St, Navy,Army,Air Force won't be left out. You need at least 5 conferences of 16 teams, or the government gets involved because of Title 9. The SEC especially because of their track record in education, doesn't want the congress looking into their records.
How does Title IX have any effect on football?

EDIT: Oops - didn't see Bees' post.
 
Bees, here are names of WVU trolls that should never be allowed on our board (go to ACC Clowns...as example, on FSU board and the WVU trolls are having discussion mostly among themselves)---and shout down the FSU posters:
Dude WVU
Doc Hollida
JmjsinnsysWVD
BillbranskyWVU
Fprio
MTHheel
Soonern Volverd 1
WVeers
Rumaypal
CMRHEEL
Cebmaker
WUVdave902

Seriously, if you dont want our board to go to hell you will monitor these posters...closely.


The biggest problem begins with a lack of clear information.

1) what will the NEW Big 12 contract look like, which I believe won't go into effect for 3 years?

Is there a financial incentive to add teams due to a playoff or adding a significant footprint, which means more than an isolated additional school far from OK and TX.

Or does the current contract in effect for an least the next 3 years already include provision for 12 teams and a playout?


2) What will be the division of revenues from the new playoff among the top 5 conferences? Will it vary yearly based on participation or be allocated based on the prior BCS performances or be subject to revision after 6 years based on performance?


3) The ACC controls the TV rights to the Orange bowl as does the SEC-Big 12 for the 5 year Champs bowl.
What will be the TV payouts? Will the ACC receive a comparable net payout since it is not a co-owner of the TV rights? Will they end up being able to get the highest ranking at large team outside the playoffs, Rose and Champs bowl?


4) What happens in the next 5 years that may change UT and OK minds about the Big 12?

The SEC may establish it's own channel and with entry into TX and Missouri, will that affect coverage and viewership of the LHN in TX?

The Bg 12 would appear to have limited prospects long term for a conference channel due to small markets and the fact that ESPN has removed UT from the equation and created conflicts of interest.


5) What does UT and company (OK, Tech, OSU) want in terms of the Big 12?
They have a very compact conference. UT is receiving a very strong and lopsided payout from the ESPN deal not shared by the other schools. The conference just signed a major 5 year Bowl ageement with the SEC.

They recently loss A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri; do they really want to add 2-4 additional teams and send their non-football teams to Florida and along the southeast coast?


6) Once the new Big 12 contract is finished, does everyone sign the 13 year GOR?

7) Next year after SU and Pitt enter the ACC, a historic transformation occurs; the ACC becomes a true north-south coastal conference from Miami to Boston. What happens in the next 5 years? Will the 5 year look-in add to the payout based on significantly greater viewership and interest in the ACC?

8) What do the SEC and Big 10 TV and network payouts look like by 2016?


Meanwhile a large number of Big 12 zombie, hyperactive posters taking their cue from posters like "the dude" and others, who claim to be privy to confidential documents and secret negotiations, conduct an extreme campaign of misinformation and hysteria, constantly changing their facts and predictions and explanations of "done deals" based on "moving targets".

The FSU scout board is exhibit number one. The WVU Scout realignment board seems to be the home base.

If anything, it makes one appreciate the value of a moderated board like this one.
 
Here is what will happen. For 20 years the dilemma has been 4 super conferences or 5. 4x16, 5x16 or 5x14. How many teams is enough? How many teams are too many? There are 2 teams and 2 teams only who will ultimately decide this. Notre Dame primarily, then Texas.

1. If ND ever goes fully to the ACC, then the B12 will be killed off and we will have 4 supers.

2. If ND ever goes fully to the B12, then the ACC (as we know it) will be killed off and we will have 4 supers.

3. If ND ever goes fully to the B10 (or somehow stays indy for eternity) both the ACC and B12 will likely survive and we will have 5 supers.

Unless....

4. #3 happens with ND and then Texas bails the B12 for the PAC10 or B10. Then the B12 dies and we have 4 supers.

Scenario 1, 2 and 4 leaves us with 4 supers while scenario 3 leaves us with 5. So figure out what ND does and to some extent Texas, and you will have the end game partially figured out and then will need to place what teams where.

This is why the courtship of ND by both the ACC and B12 has been strong. Its a death match between those two conferences.

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The worst conference is clearly the bevo.

If they add nd, I fail to see how this kills the ACC. It will give them a 3rd team that the US recognizes as a power. Something the b1g and sec already have (and they each have like 6 who fit this bill). No ACC team is going to the fluckin bevo, and no smart team (Miami and fsu) is going to the sec.

Call me an east coast biased fluck, but the ATLANTIC COAST Conference will always be at the big boy table.

I guarantee it.
 
It would defy logic if Notre Dame picks the Big 12. There is no cultural, academic, and geographical fit. If and when Notre Dame goes to a conference, it will be the ACC or B1G...
 

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