Curious where all the joe Adam haters are

[kcsu]

The issue I have is that several posters decided when he was hired that he was subpar, and have vociferously sought out confirmatory "evidence" through a biased lens ever since.

It WAS a bit of a reach. So was Lester. Doesn't mean they aren't qualified. There were plenty of dopey opinions expressed about Lester prior to the season, too, since he was a D3 coach. Much of the hand wringing seems unwarranted after only a few games.

If Emerich solidifies the OL, with Trudo shifting back to OG, then one of the weakest positional units on the team will have been solidified quite a bit. To me, that's good coaching.

Lets be clear. Joe was not the Ol coach at Grand Valley. He was a student assistant coach. Dont get me wrong i hope that he does great as he has been through a ton of life to get to this point and by all accounts is a really good person so im pulling for him. Still it was one heck of a stretch for shafer to name him Ol coach as he simply doesnt have the back ground to warrant it.

 

[RF2044]

Lets be clear. Joe was not the Ol coach at Grand Valley. He was a student assistant coach. Dont get me wrong i hope that he does great as he has been through a ton of life to get to this point and by all accounts is a really good person so im pulling for him. Still it was one heck of a stretch for shafer to name him Ol coach as he simply doesnt have the back ground to warrant it.

Was it? That was your initial claim, and you are clearly sticking to what you made your mind up about a year ago, come hell or high water.

A coach is only as good as his personnel. The OL seems to have shifted as a function of recent changes from below average to potentially above average. Is that because Adam is a poor coach? Is he a "great" coach if the OL improves now?

I think you made a hasty, snap judgement that might have been sound on paper, but might not have been accurate / fair. As with Lester, I think we owe Shafer AND Adam the benefit of the doubt. If the OL performs well from here on out, then a lot of the complaints seem unfounded. Adam seems like a strong recruiter, too, so I'll take my chances with Shafer's "stretch" -- which in actuality might not have been much of a stretch at all, given that he was a head coach prior to coming to SU.

 

[dasher]

Was it? That was your initial claim, and you are clearly sticking to what you made your mind up about a year ago, come hell or high water.

A coach is only as good as his personnel. The OL seems to have shifted as a function of recent changes from below average to potentially above average. Is that because Adam is a poor coach? Is he a "great" coach if the OL improves now?

I think you made a hasty, snap judgement that might have been sound on paper, but might not have been accurate / fair. As with Lester, I think we owe Shafer AND Adam the benefit of the doubt. If the OL performs well from here on out, then a lot of the complaints seem unfounded.

Seems fair to me.

 

[kcsu]

Was it? That was your initial claim, and you are clearly sticking to what you made your mind up about a year ago, come hell or high water.

A coach is only as good as his personnel. The OL seems to have shifted as a function of recent changes from below average to potentially above average. Is that because Adam is a poor coach? Is he a "great" coach if the OL improves now?

I think you made a hasty, snap judgement that might have been sound on paper, but might not have been accurate / fair. As with Lester, I think we owe Shafer AND Adam the benefit of the doubt. If the OL performs well from here on out, then a lot of the complaints seem unfounded.

I dont believe that he is a special OL coach. Tim Morrison was the OC and OL coach while Joe was at Grand valley and the fact that Joe had a chance to be under him helps also that Joe was an OL player. Still to name him OL of a P5 school given his back ground is a major stretch. Last year he was under a difficult situation between George and the injuries so maybe that was the problem. Im pulling for him but i think that most would have to admit his hire is a bit of a head scratcher. If you need some more info just read some of the interviews with the Ol from the spring

 

[rrlbees]

I dont believe that he is a special OL coach. Tim Morrison was the OC and OL coach while Joe was at Grand valley and the fact that Joe had a chance to be under him helps also that Joe was an OL player. Still to name him OL of a P5 school given his back ground is a major stretch. Last year he was under a difficult situation between George and the injuries so maybe that was the problem. Im pulling for him but i think that most would have to admit his hire is a bit of a head scratcher. If you need some more info just read some of the interviews with the Ol from the spring

Sometimes it's a budget thing. You get $X for assistant coaches.

 

[RF2044]

I dont believe that he is a special OL coach. Tim Morrison was the OC and OL coach while Joe was at Grand valley and the fact that Joe had a chance to be under him helps also that Joe was an OL player. Still to name him OL of a P5 school given his back ground is a major stretch. Last year he was under a difficult situation between George and the injuries so maybe that was the problem. Im pulling for him but i think that most would have to admit his hire is a bit of a head scratcher. If you need some more info just read some of the interviews with the Ol from the spring

What I'm scratching my head about is why there are continued questions about his aptitude, given how the OL seems to be coming together. And also how the coaches--Adam in particular--has shown willingness to start players who grade out higher than other, more highly touted players--and how they aren't afraid to make changes.

Last year was a cluster at OL. The injuries we faced were absurd, we played numerous players out of position, were forced to play several players injured due to lack of depth when they really weren't capable, and constantly had to adjust the starting lineup. None of that is a formula for success. Given all of that, I don't understand why some of you were so quick to condemn Adam last year. :noidea: Honestly, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[kcsu]

What I'm scratching my head about is why there are continued questions about his aptitude, given how the OL seems to be coming together. And also how the coaches--Adam in particular--has shown willingness to start players who grade out higher than other, more highly touted players--and how they aren't afraid to make changes.

Last year was a cluster at OL. The injuries we faced were absurd, we played numerous players out of position, were forced to play several players injured due to lack of depth when they really weren't capable, and constantly had to adjust the starting lineup. None of that is a formula for success. Given all of that, I don't understand why some of you were so quick to condemn Adam last year. :noidea: Honestly, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

I really dont see much in the way of improvement. I think that Lester is the main reason that we look better on the OL as he understands our strength and is coaching to it. One thing that i do like is that we have really cut down on our penalties. This is a major improvement and Joe deserves credit. Lets hope that he is the next George D and continues to grow as a coach.

 

[RF2044]

I really dont see much in the way of improvement. I think that Lester is the main reason that we look better on the OL as he understands our strength and is coaching to it. One thing that i do like is that we have really cut down on our penalties. This is a major improvement and Joe deserves credit. Lets hope that he is the next George D and continues to grow as a coach.

Really? The OL looked like one of the weakest units on the team, and then they held their own at the LOS against LSU. The improvement is evident.

And you are right--the execution has been better than it has been in years.

LGO!!!

 

[Cuse'91]

What I'm scratching my head about is why there are continued questions about his aptitude, given how the OL seems to be coming together. And also how the coaches--Adam in particular--has shown willingness to start players who grade out higher than other, more highly touted players--and how they aren't afraid to make changes.

Last year was a cluster at OL. The injuries we faced were absurd, we played numerous players out of position, were forced to play several players injured due to lack of depth when they really weren't capable, and constantly had to adjust the starting lineup. None of that is a formula for success. Given all of that, I don't understand why some of you were so quick to condemn Adam last year. :noidea: Honestly, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

You don't seem to acknowledge that this year differs from last year in that Jake Moreland coaches the tackles, does that play zero role? Is that common that a P5 O-Line position coach doesn't coach the entire line? Just curious if that is rare, uncommon, common, or unique...

 

[RF2044]

You don't seem to acknowledge that this year differs from last year in that Jake Moreland coaches the tackles, does that play zero role? Is that common that a P5 O-Line position coach doesn't coach the entire line? Just curious if that is rare, uncommon, common, or unique...

Sure it does. But results matter.

Deciding in advance how things will go doesn't.

 

[kcsu]

You don't seem to acknowledge that this year differs from last year in that Jake Moreland coaches the tackles, does that play zero role? Is that common that a P5 O-Line position coach doesn't coach the entire line? Just curious if that is rare, uncommon, common, or unique...

didnt want to go there but read the post from the players. I believe that without Jake Adam doesnt seem to be as good a coach.

 

[Cuse'91]

Sure it does. But results matter.

Deciding in advance how things will go doesn't.

I hope and pray Coach Adam succeeds; it will be crucial for our re-emergence... My gripe was with the "hope and a prayer"/"cronyism" type hire than the individual...

 

[RF2044]

didnt want to go there but read the post from the players. I believe that without Jake Adam doesnt seem to be as good a coach.

"Post?"

 

[TheCusian]

I honestly don't care if it's Moreland or Adams or both. As long as we can field a decent OL,

 

[orange_in_VA]

Tonight? His o line did a pretty good job fighting off arguably the best front 7 in college football. He can't coach!!!!! D3 coach, he sucks!!!!

I congratulated him on Twitter. The O-line has not been an issue this year. Next year will be the real test though.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Personally I think OL is the most difficult position to coach. The more experience the better. I also think it is a very hands on position that needs to be on the sideline during a game, which makes interesting that Adam is in the coaching box. Hey as long as it works who cares, right?

 

[Dcuse]

I congratulated him on Twitter. The O-line has not been an issue this year. Next year will be the real test though.

We will be less experienced but, trust me, the 5 guy haul we pulled in the last class is a talent upgrade over the past. The future here is good.

 

[orange_in_VA]

We will be less experienced but, trust me, the 5 guy haul we pulled in the last class is a talent upgrade over the past. The future here is good.

I'm not worried about the talent. Just inexperience.

 

[wfschrec]

I don't like him because the son of a bitch has two first names!

 

[kirbivore]

Was he referring to IB? There were a few people who were down on Nassib but the one who stuck out to me was that guy (forgot his name). He also guaranteed that Nassib wouldn't get drafted.

Milhouse also called Nassib the worst QB in SU history at one point.

 

[texascpa]

Lets be clear. Joe was not the Ol coach at Grand Valley. He was a student assistant coach. Dont get me wrong i hope that he does great as he has been through a ton of life to get to this point and by all accounts is a really good person so im pulling for him. Still it was one heck of a stretch for shafer to name him Ol coach as he simply doesnt have the back ground to warrant it.

How is someone supposed to gain experience if they've never been given the opportunity to gain experience? Being a student assistant coach is one of the best ways (even many head coaches started out as assistant grads) to garner experience without being counted on as the leader of the position. Maybe it's the fact that he's gaining much of his experience at SU that's bothersome?