Dammit, now the Doyel's and other online media are calling for JB's head

[rrlbees]

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.

 

[NKR1978]

I noticed Doyel on twitter. May be time for a leave of absence.

 

[cuseguy]

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.

You're torturing yourself.

 

[007]

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.

The thought by some that there was "no way" that the media and public perception would not look to hold JB personally accountable for his words looks a little misguided now. Is there still doubt that Cantor will not react accordingly if things continue to head in the current direction??

 

[rstone7727]

Situations such as this, the captain of the boat always goes down with the ship. Just the way it is.

 

[scottynguyen]

Here's what Gary Parrish had to say ...

GaryParrishCBS​

Gary Parrish​

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Jim Boeheim needs to state the obvious -- that that recording makes him sick to his stomach. And that he was wrong to attack the accusers.​

2 hours ago

FYI: Don't believe Jim is like Paterno. Paterno ignored evidence. I truly believe Jim had no idea. Otherwise, he never comes out so strong.
2 hours ago

GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish


But coming out that strong -- against the accusers -- was too much. Jim bet his reputation on Bernie. Looks more and more like a bad bet.

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[NKR1978]

Here's what Gary Parrish had to say ...

GaryParrishCBS​

Gary Parrish​

Jim Boeheim needs to state the obvious -- that that recording makes him sick to his stomach. And that he was wrong to attack the accusers.​

2 hours ago​

FYI: Don't believe Jim is like Paterno. Paterno ignored evidence. I truly believe Jim had no idea. Otherwise, he never comes out so strong.​

2 hours ago​

GaryParrishCBS Gary Parrish​

But coming out that strong -- against the accusers -- was too much. Jim bet his reputation on Bernie. Looks more and more like a bad bet.​

For once Parrish is actually holding back and sounding reasonable.

 

[rrlbees]

You're torturing yourself.

there is some truth in that

 

[Dick_in_MI]

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.

It's going to get much worse. It's one thing to stand by your friend. It's one thing
to say "I never saw him in Bernie's bed. It's quite another to toss around "a thousand lies" and "they're looking for money"

JB has to realize that what he says doesn't just reflect upon him; it reflects upon the University by extension. He is a high profile employee of the school and when he shoots from the hip, the University has shot from the hip.

JB has a history of occasionally going off the deep end verbally and this time he may have really steppd in it.

 

[cuseguy]

It's going to get much worse. It's one thing to stand by your friend. It's one thing
to say "I never saw him in Bernie's bed. It's quite another to toss around "a thousand lies" and "they're looking for money"

JB has to realize that what he says doesn't just reflect upon him; it reflects upon the University by extension. He is a high profile employee of the school and when he shoots from the hip, the University has shot from the hip.

JB has a history of occasionally going off the deep end verbally and this time he may have really steppd in it.

All I know is that JB didn't seem to know Bernie as well as he thought.

 

[Toga]

Forget the whole PR aspects. It would be nice if JB genuinely reflected on calling possible victims of molestation liars and the potential chilling effect that could have on the too many victims around the country. I get the whole loyalty thing but it was too much.

 

[dash-30-dash]

He needs to say i'm sorry. He needs to mean it. He also needs to admit that he made a mistake. It's the right thing to do and people respect that.

 

[javadoc]

Forget the whole PR aspects. It would be nice if JB genuinely reflected on calling possible victims of molestation liars and the potential chilling effect that could have on the too many victims around the country. I get the whole loyalty thing but it was too much.

Sounds like I am in the minority, but based on what was known at the time, I have no problem with what Boeheim said.

 

[Toga]

Sounds like I am in the minority, but based on what was known at the time, I have no problem with what Boeheim said.

Even if he could have said something acknowledging what a huge problem child molestation is and then stating his beliefs on this case.

 

[javadoc]

Even if he could have said something acknowledging what a huge problem child molestation is and then stating his beliefs on this case.

If he honestly thought it was another financial fishing expedition, when the accusations had already been cleared years before, and there was nothing more to it, why hedge? He can come out now and say he is sorry, or that he wants to wait out the process and let justice be done, sure. We'll see what he says shortly. I think calling for a firing or resignation based on the original outburst is just nuts tho.

 

[Toga]

If he honestly thought it was another financial fishing expedition, when the accusations had already been cleared years before, and there was nothing more to it, why hedge? He can come out now and say he is sorry, or that he wants to wait out the process and let justice be done, sure. We'll see what he says shortly. I think calling for a firing or resignation based on the original outburst is just nuts tho.

Baased on what is known now - I agree, firing or resignation is not a legitimate way to go.

 

[kingottoiii]

IMO the only thing that can save JB his job will be for him to say he read the BSK report and their findings were that Davis was lying. SU then releases the report. Otherwise I think there will be too much public pressure. Victims groups were already up in arms before the tape. Now they will be around campus wanting blood. I don't think JB should be fired, but there will be too much pressure. Too bad SU didn't protect JB before the tape was released.

 

[Cuse_MN]

calling Davis a liar is one thing, JB's comments later on to the effect that he's just a basketball coach and he wasn't involved in earlier investigation and only vaguely knew about the details of the accusation - the it wasn't my problem attitude - are more troubling to me. BF worked for you and was one of your closest friends. He's the 2nd guy behind you and apparently was taking young, unsupervised ballboys on away trips that you couldn't have missed, an investigation into abusing boys happens, and you don't care to learn more about it and be involved? What

 

[tptcuse]

SU spokesperson says that the university was not given the tape in 2005.

 

[Cusefan95]

I think JB talks at 5PM, Cantor talks at 7PM and says no further action will be taken with JB unless further details warrant it. If that doesn't come from SU/Cantor by the end of the Day, JB is done. Might take a week or two to get there...but he'll be done.

 

[grepal]

I had and still have no problem with coach standing by Bernie Fine. I still have seen no proof that convinces me Bernie was a molester. The tape is pretty strong, but then I hear Laurie Fine talk about her relationship with the kid when he was 18. Makes me wonder about her credibility. Of course it is possible that Fine is guilty, but if anyone accused my closest friend of 40 years of being a child molester, a man I have no inclination is possible 0of such a thing I would stand up for him.

In my personal life, right after I graduated from SU my high school baseball coach, a coach who was apersonal friend, a man who was my ride home fronm practice every day, a man who had myself and other teammates over to his home where we me this wife, had dinner, talked about life, and growing up, a truly good man, was accused by two middle school girls of sexually molesting them. At the age of 23 I knew in my heart it could not be true. I contacted his attorney and volunteered to speak at trial about my experiences with the man while in high school and after. The bottom lione was that after 18 months the two girls admitted they lied because he was a powerful coach, (twi high school state championships) and they were looki9ng for attention. Now to say that this incident had a terribly negative effect on his wife, marriage, family, reputatuon, and job, is not stating the case strongly enough. The bottom line for me is that like JB, I think I am a fiercely loyal friend, and will go balls to the wall for any friend of mine. On the flip side, if it turns out you abused my trust and friendship by doing something terribel and lying about it I am not sure I have the capacity to forgive that.

 

[grepal]

rrlbees said: ↑

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.​

It's going to get much worse. It's one thing to stand by your friend. It's one thing
to say "I never saw him in Bernie's bed. It's quite another to toss around "a thousand lies" and "they're looking for money"

JB has to realize that what he says doesn't just reflect upon him; it reflects upon the University by extension. He is a high profile employee of the school and when he shoots from the hip, the University has shot from the hip.

JB has a history of occasionally going off the deep end verbally and this time he may have really steppd in it.

I do not know about this. Does coach take a hit sure, but is it or should it be fatal, no way. Calm heads and hearts need to prevail, if coach and the university were lied to and made fools of that is bad, but I would expect a principled man like JB to fight for his friend and state his innocence especially in light of the fact that the allegations had been investigasted by SI, the police, ESPN, and a private law firm and the charges were deemed lies. Is JB guilty of a lack of political correctness, sure. I find it refreshing and as long as he has no part in a PSU style cover up I back him and I appreciate his loyalty. I'll go so far as to be politically incorrect and to state that JB has every right to defend his friend and call a previously "proven" liar a liar, even if the previous "proof" turns out to be wrong. JB has earned every SU fan and administrator to have his back and PUBLICLY DEFEND HIM if he did not have knowledge of this matter, no matter how strong a ststaement he made.

(If my old SU English teachers are alive I apologize for the run on sentence)​

 

[Noexcuse]

All I know is that JB didn't seem to know Bernie as well as he thought.

Really makes JB look pretty stupid then if that's the case. I'm guessing JB doesn't like to look stupid but now he's going to have to defend his stupidity.

 

[PoppyHart]

JB saying what he said is ok, as long as he's representing himself. But he wasn't. He was a mouthpiece of the University.

Moreover, the school never (publicly) reprimanded him, or distanced itself, from the view that the accusers are abject liars and money grubbers. Thus, the school's essentially condoning the statement as well.

As someone posted earlier, the school should have suspended him immediately for a few games, forced him to retract, and distanced itself from that insensitive view. Now anything done to ameliorate the situation looks disingenuous.

 

[kingottoiii]

rrlbees said: ↑ ​

mainly because of his words. The public perception and media pressure is going to get unbearable.​

It's going to get much worse. It's one thing to stand by your friend. It's one thing

to say "I never saw him in Bernie's bed. It's quite another to toss around "a thousand lies" and "they're looking for money"​

JB has to realize that what he says doesn't just reflect upon him; it reflects upon the University by extension. He is a high profile employee of the school and when he shoots from the hip, the University has shot from the hip.​

JB has a history of occasionally going off the deep end verbally and this time he may have really steppd in it.​

I do not know about this. Does coach take a hit sure, but is it or should it be fatal, no way. Calm heads and hearts need to prevail, if coach and the university were lied to and made fools of that is bad, but I would expect a principled man like JB to fight for his friend and state his innocence especially in light of the fact that the allegations had been investigasted by SI, the police, ESPN, and a private law firm and the charges were deemed lies. Is JB guilty of a lack of political correctness, sure. I find it refreshing and as long as he has no part in a PSU style cover up I back him and I appreciate his loyalty. I'll go so far as to be politically incorrect and to state that JB has every right to defend his friend and call a previously "proven" liar a liar, even if the previous "proof" turns out to be wrong. JB has earned every SU fan and administrator to have his back and PUBLICLY DEFEND HIM if he did not have knowledge of this matter, no matter how strong a ststaement he made.​

(If my old SU English teachers are alive I apologize for the run on sentence)​

JB can defend and should defend Bernie. But he shouldn't attack the accusers. That is what will be an issue. I think that there has to be some sort of punishment. How harsh could depend on public pressure. If we punished him before the tape, I don't think there would be an issue. SU missed out on that one.