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Danny Schayes Chimes In With Bud

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For so long now, Jim Boeheim has been a fella who’d rather chew bolts than mince words, but because he’s been a basketball coach since the Ford Administration, his subjects over the many years have been fairly benign.
The merits of the Carrier Dome ... Gerry McNamara’s on-court worthiness ... Big East Conference expansion ... stuff like that.
But then came this week’s ugly allegations made by Bobby Davis and seconded by Mike Lang, two guys with awful stories to tell, and suddenly Boeheim was speaking on a matter with the weight of an anvil.

Bernie Fine, his pal of nearly a half-century and his assistant for 35-plus seasons on the Syracuse University bench, had been accused by Davis and Lang of having sexually abused them as far back as the late 1970s when they were just kids ... and Boeheim had responded by referencing lies and potential money grabs.

That was on Thursday night, shortly after the troubling charges had come to light. And on Friday morning Boeheim, who does not often visit the temple of regret, was not at all sorry for the position he’d assumed.

“What?” he asked. “I can’t support a friend of 50 years? I hope that’s not the case. Some people have said that if these allegations are true, I should be fired. Why? Because Bernie Fine is my friend and I support him? I don’t have any reason not to.

“I’m not Joe Paterno. Somebody didn’t come and tell me Bernie Fine did something and I’m hiding it. I know nothing. If I saw some reason not to support Bernie, I would not support him. If somebody showed me a reason, proved that reason, I would not support him. But until then, I’ll support him until the day I die.”

Certainly, there was no shortage of boldness in all of that talk. And it was matched by the kind of loyalty for which Boeheim has been forever known. But there are those who’d suggest that there was no shortage of risk in that defense, too. No dice, though. Boeheim, who’s coached the Orange since 1976 with the trusty Fine by his side, would not budge.

“People will say, ‘Those words might come back to haunt you,’” Boeheim admitted. “But I have no reason not to believe that Bernie Fine is anything other than a good person who’s done nothing but help others. If somebody can show me that’s not true, I’ll take it under advisement.”

It has, certainly, gotten uncomfortable around here. Until Thursday’s declarations by Davis (a former SU ball boy, now 39) and Lang (Davis’ 45-year-old stepbrother), the only thoughts our citizens gave to Boeheim and Fine were how they were going to manage all of the remarkable talent on their fifth-ranked Orange team.

But now Fine has been suspended by the university he loves, and the Syracuse Police Department has launched an investigation and SU chancellor Nancy Cantor has submitted a statement filled with a vow of transparency ... and suddenly there is a whiff of Penn State in our town’s air. Happy Valley’s sordid scandal was once its own. Now — right or wrong, fair or not, whether this is an attempt for closure by a couple of victims seeking an end to their pain or a ruse by a pair of con men in search of a windfall — we’ve got a slice of one ourselves.

And only the coldest among us have merely nodded. Indeed, this is an emotional time for Central New York and if not all folks have chosen sides, almost nobody has been left without a forbidding feeling. Penn State does waft, you know. Thus, the discomfort.

This is, after all, Bernie Fine, who just last month was inducted into the Greater Syracuse Sports Hall of Fame. This is the man, 66 on Christmas Weekend, who’s been Boeheim’s buddy for nearly a half-century and his basketball confidant for 3½ decades. This is a long-perceived pillar of our community.

And just like that, he’s been made to disappear by his employer and reduced to proclaiming his innocence of overwhelming creepiness (and worse) through the funnel of his lawyer.

Not good. Not good at all.

“The shame is that when Bernie gets cleared, as he’s been cleared before, he becomes untouchable,” said Danny Schayes, the Jamesville-DeWitt Red Ram/turned Orangeman/turned NBA survivor who called out of the blue from his Arizona home on Friday with a good 20 minutes of unsolicited testimony. “All those years of goodwill? They’re going to be gone.

“You ruin a guy who’s done nothing in my experience — not my opinion, but my experience — but stand for helping people to excel in life. He’s become damaged goods overnight because of some unsubstantiated accusation. That’s the tragedy here. And it is a tragedy.”

Boeheim surely agrees. And while he does so unwaveringly, it is with equal touches of allegiance and defiance ... and sorrow.

“If you can get in trouble for supporting a friend you’ve known for almost 50 years, I don’t want to live in that country,” Boeheim offered. “Is that clear? And yet people are saying stuff like that. That’s sad. That’s a sad world. When you can’t be loyal to your friends, I don’t like that world.”

Oh, yeah. The Colgate Raiders, in their usual collective role of lamb on plate, are due in the Dome this afternoon to take on the unbeaten Orange beginning at 4. Step right up.

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This is why JB will not share the fate of Bernie, whatever it is. He is absolutely correct. He is not Joe PA. He has every right to defend his friend, who, as we all know, was investigated and found to to not have committed even a hint of what Davis has claimed.

People should be able to come out and support their friends. JB is not under investigation.
 
This is why JB will not share the fate of Bernie, whatever it is. He is absolutely correct. He is not Joe PA. He has every right to defend his friend, who, as we all know, was investigated and found to to not have committed even a hint of what Davis has claimed.

People should be able to come out and support their friends. JB is not under investigation.

You can support your friends. But, if this is true, you can't call 2 kids your own friend molested liars and after money and expect to keep your job.
 
This is why JB will not share the fate of Bernie, whatever it is. He is absolutely correct. He is not Joe PA. He has every right to defend his friend, who, as we all know, was investigated and found to to not have committed even a hint of what Davis has claimed.

People should be able to come out and support their friends. JB is not under investigation.
Completely agree. However...
Defending his friend is one thing. Publicly accusing an alleged sexual-abuse victim of lying is another.
 
I agree with Jake here, if bernie is guilty here. Jb is toast.

And if that were the case, it would be of his own doing. The only reason Boeheim could ever get fired for this was to the extent of his comments. If called potential victims "liars". You don't survive that. He made some really ballsy comments (and for the record, I'm glad he did) but it could potentially cost him his job.

I think Boeheim must feel EXTREMELY confident that there will be no other "victims" coming forward and that he knows that these 2 guys are bad dudes. He better be right.
 
This is why JB will not share the fate of Bernie, whatever it is. He is absolutely correct. He is not Joe PA. He has every right to defend his friend, who, as we all know, was investigated and found to to not have committed even a hint of what Davis has claimed.

People should be able to come out and support their friends. JB is not under investigation.

He went further, much further, than defending his friend. It's not that he expressed his support, it's how he did it. I hope he and Bernie are right.
 
I think Boeheim must feel EXTREMELY confident that there will be no other "victims" coming forward and that he knows that these 2 guys are bad dudes.
Or (and I hope not) he was speaking out of anger/exasperation in the heat of the moment without any real forethought.
 
And if that were the case, it would be of his own doing. The only reason Boeheim could ever get fired for this was to the extent of his comments. If called potential victims "liars". You don't survive that. He made some really ballsy comments (and for the record, I'm glad he did) but it could potentially cost him his job.

I think Boeheim must feel EXTREMELY confident that there will be no other "victims" coming forward and that he knows that these 2 guys are bad dudes. He better be right.


I don't disagree with your post or bees, and agree I just hope they are right, I think they will be but there is some doubt still. As I have said, many times, jb is beginning to show some signs og aging with the manner that he spouts off at times. I know many here think it's cute and parise worthy, but its unprofessional and was bound to catch up with him at some point and this could be that scenario. There was a much bettercway he could have shown support for Bernie and not dug hos own grave. Smetimes, I think his hate for the media gets the best of him too often
 
I don't disagree with your post or bees, and agree I just hope they are right, I think they will be but there is some doubt still. As I have said, many times, jb is beginning to show some signs og aging with the manner that he spouts off at times. I know many here think it's cute and parise worthy, but its unprofessional and was bound to catch up with him at some point and this could be that scenario. There was a much bettercway he could have shown support for Bernie and not dug hos own grave. Smetimes, I think his hate for the media gets the best of him too often

Actually, I think Boeheim's approach is needed. Sometimes a good defense is a good offense. Instead of backing off or saying "let's let things play out", he is taking things full speed. And when you believe you are right, that's exactly what you should do. Personally, I think the press would even be more biting if Boeheim wasn't being offensive, because as the press knows him, he has always tended to speak his mind. What would the press think if Boeheim was all of a sudden quiet. Well, they would probably see that as a sign of Fine's guilt.
 
Actually, I think Boeheim's approach is needed. Sometimes a good defense is a good offense. Instead of backing off or saying "let's let things play out", he is taking things full speed. And when you believe you are right, that's exactly what you should do. Personally, I think the press would even be more biting if Boeheim wasn't being offensive, because as the press knows him, he has always tended to speak his mind. What would the press think if Boeheim was all of a sudden quiet. Well, they would probably see that as a sign of Fine's guilt.
Again, going on the offensive is fine. Calling alleged victims liars is going beyond that.
 
Completely agree. However...
Defending his friend is one thing. Publicly accusing an alleged sexual-abuse victim of lying is another.
Davis made statements about JB seeing him in Bernie's hotel room. If JB did not see him and never went in Bernie's room, he has a right to call Davis a liar.
 
he has a right to call Davis a liar.
A right? Yeah, probably. But with public sentiment where it is right now in regard to sexual abuse of children (alleged or otherwise), it wasn't the smartest play.
 
I think that if Bernie Fine was guilty of such misdeeds, JB wouldn't want to/couldn't coach anymore anyway. He'd be blown away by how this could happen.
 
I think that if Bernie Fine was guilty of such misdeeds, JB wouldn't want to/couldn't coach anymore anyway. He'd be blown away by how this could happen.

That's actually a fair point. Something like this, especially with Jim who wants to have and believes he has an eye on everything going on in his program, could lead him to question if he wants to do the job anymore. Especially since it involves his best friend and confidante of 50 or so years.
 
Worst case scenario, More victims surface, Bernie fired, (can't be prosecuted due to sol), JB fired also. In that scenario, would the University offer each the option to retire? If not do they loose all pensions? Not that they probably need the cash but..
 
Worst case scenario, More victims surface, Bernie fired, (can't be prosecuted due to sol), JB fired also. In that scenario, would the University offer each the option to retire? If not do they loose all pensions? Not that they probably need the cash but..

Anyone of retirement age can retire. ERISA and all that. They are both of retirement age. In order to deny retirement benefits, the employer has to sue and prove "cause." Been there (not personally, but in a setting where it has happened). The employer never wins -- and hardly ever brings such an action. Having said that, NEITHER of them will be "fired." Just won't happen. They could just "retire." Just a hypothetical answer on my part because I know something about employment law
 
Any one of retirement age can retire. ERISA and all that. They are both of retirement age. In order to deny retirement benefits, the employer has to sue and prove "cause." Been there, the employer never wins -- and hardly ever brings such an action. Having said that, NEITHER of them will be fired. Just won't happen. Just a hypothetical answer on my part because I know something about employment law

Thanks for clearing that up cto. Believe it or not, I am retired myself but was unaware of ERISA, had to Google it. Glad to hear neither will be fired also, these two guys literally built the program to what we are enjoying today and hopefully this will be cleared up soon.
 
He went further, much further, than defending his friend. It's not that he expressed his support, it's how he did it. I hope he and Bernie are right.
This is exactly why he should shut his mouth. So confused why people don't understand my stance earlier. Puffing your chest out in this situation does no good.

And I completely respect JB.
 
Anyone of retirement age can retire. ERISA and all that. They are both of retirement age. In order to deny retirement benefits, the employer has to sue and prove "cause." Been there (not personally, but in a setting where it has happened). The employer never wins -- and hardly ever brings such an action. Having said that, NEITHER of them will be "fired." Just won't happen. They could just "retire." Just a hypothetical answer on my part because I know something about employment law

If Penn State can fire JoePA, then SU can fire JB. What happened at Penn St. shows that no one is untouchable.

I choose to believe the claims against Bernie are unfounded, but I am far from an objective source. This whole situation is disgusting, regardless of who is telling the truth and who is lying.
 
If Penn State can fire JoePA, then SU can fire JB. What happened at Penn St. shows that no one is untouchable.

I choose to believe the claims against Bernie are unfounded, but I am far from an objective source. This whole situation is disgusting, regardless of who is telling the truth and who is lying.

This. All I can say is that I hope we don't have to find out.
 
Worst case scenario, More victims surface, Bernie fired, (can't be prosecuted due to sol), JB fired also. In that scenario, would the University offer each the option to retire? If not do they loose all pensions? Not that they probably need the cash but..
It probably gets worse than that. If more victims surface, then the question becomes who else on the staff knew/had to know. Hop? Is he immune? Then of course there are the years and years of bad publicity as the courts try and sort it out. And the lawsuits and settlements the University will have to pay. It can get way worse than just Bernie and JB getting fired.
 
It probably gets worse than that. If more victims surface, then the question becomes who else on the staff knew/had to know. Hop? Is he immune? Then of course there are the years and years of bad publicity as the courts try and sort it out. And the lawsuits and settlements the University will have to pay. It can get way worse than just Bernie and JB getting fired.
Sorry, but this just seems like nonsense at this point (if, if, if . . .). The accuser's story is that he had a long time relationship with Bernie, into the kid's 20s. Not that there were others at the same time, or any latter time. There isn't anything credible about other victims (except the claim of a step-brother about something even more remote). There were investigations in 2005, with the SU lawyers involved. The allegations are that something happened in private, at Bernie's house or in private at hotel rooms -- and the kid never claims he told anyone at SU or the police until a decade or more later. JB denies knowing. There is no evidence that any report was made at any time when something was allegedly happening. SU says it will again investigate -- out of decency, you might hold the speculation.
 
Sorry, but this just seems like nonsense at this point (if, if, if . . .). The accuser's story is that he had a long time relationship with Bernie, into the kid's 20s. Not that there were others at the same time, or any latter time. There isn't anything credible about other victims (except the claim of a step-brother about something even more remote). There were investigations in 2005, with the SU lawyers involved. The allegations are that something happened in private, at Bernie's house or in private at hotel rooms -- and the kid never claims he told anyone at SU or the police until a decade or more later. JB denies knowing. There is no evidence that any report was made at any time when something was allegedly happening. SU says it will again investigate -- out of decency, you might hold the speculation.
I know it's hard to follow along when everybody is responding to previous posts and trying to make their own point. I wasn't speculating what did or did not happen. The previous poster said the worse case scenario if more victims step forward is that Bernie and JB are fired. I was only stating that if that were the case the ramifications would be greater than that. As far as speculation goes, isn't that what everybody is doing here? We do not know all the facts yet. I won't take the time to go back and look at your posts to see if you have done any speculating. I'll take your word for it that you haven't.
 

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