Darrell Gill Jr. transferring to Ole Miss

[JDubbin]

This thread has certainly gone places I wasn’t expecting

 

[Chip]

This thread has certainly gone places I wasn’t expecting

Yeah, and unfortunately we're only getting one side of the story.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Unless something has radically changed we were doing a minimum of around 60K for the back half of the roster.

Yup. There are some inaccuracies here.

Also look at the leaks yesterday at another school. Guys that transfer get more money. Just like people who switch jobs or threaten to. Happens in every job.

 

[Cuseregular]

admins if you care about this program you nuke this thread and someone start a pm with anyone interested to know whats up, I and others will share more. It's becoming evident that fran (via wildhack and/or the univ.) needs some leadership business type training. I'm sure theres some nuance to the story coming from Gills familys perspective, but the meat and general gist of it appears accurate to what some of us are hearing.

Admins my original point stands. And if this stays up and public if anyone up on the hill wants to address frans side (or fran himself like last year with Pena) it should be done quickly. It's hard enough to achieve success here fighting the natural obstacles this program faces, this is a potential albeit short term program killer. Nuke it IMHO.

 

[JDubbin]

Yeah, and unfortunately we're only getting one side of the story.

We also got to learn your real name is Chip, which brings us all closer & feels like we know you more intimately. That’s a real relationship win for all of us here

 

[sufan59]

It is one thing to be a hard-nosed coach with no tolerance for poor play or poor effort. It is hard enough to pull that off in the modern era--college or pro. But I am failing to see what Gill did wrong here.

I don’t think Gill did anything wrong. We have a head coach heading into his third year in what is now a contract business and that is trying to get his guys in place on the football team. I think it’s safe to assume that Gill isn’t one of his guys and in the era of the transfer portal they don’t have to fake it anymore. The one shame is that it seems like Gill really loved Syracuse, but if it’s not a match between Gill and Fran, Fran should not be prioritizing keeping him on his roster. And reasonably the wide receiver room has other 4 star and 1 5 star talent.

 

[illi3]

admins if you care about this program you nuke this thread and someone start a pm with anyone interested to know whats up, I and others will share more. It's becoming evident that fran (via wildhack and/or the univ. needs some leadership business type training). I'm sure theres some nuance to the story coming from Gills familys perspective, but the meat and general gist of it appears accurate to what some of us are hearing.

Admins my original point stands. And if this stays up and public if anyone up on the hill wants to address frans side (or fran himself like last year with Pena) it should be done quickly. It's hard enough to achieve success here fighting the natural obstacles this program faces, this is a potential albeit short term program killer. Nuke it IMHO.

I'm sure this info is already well known in coaching/NIL circles and is being used as an argument against us. Smoke = fire, and it seems to be already out there seeing as how a number of posters have already heard such things.

 

[Chip]

We also got to learn your real name is Chip, which brings us all closer & feels like we know you more intimately. That’s a real relationship win for all of us here

I believe in transparency.

That's why I think it's important that Millhouse's limp wristed javelin throwing style is something the board should know about.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Yup. There are some inaccuracies here.

Also look at the leaks yesterday at another school. Guys that transfer get more money. Just like people who switch jobs or threaten to. Happens in every job.

 

[sufan59]

I'm sure this info is already well known in coaching/NIL circles and is being used as an argument against us. Smoke = fire, and it seems to be already out there seeing as how a number of posters have already heard such things.

Probably already is. I also think many in coaching circles don’t like Fran because of how good he is at recruiting. Not talking about Syracuse fans, but I do notice there is a lot of people (and by that I mean faceless and nameless twitter accounts) who will go out of their way to criticize him when the opportunity is there too and say some vile things about him in the process.

 

[Cuseregular]

I'm sure this info is already well known in coaching/NIL circles and is being used as an argument against us. Smoke = fire, and it seems to be already out there seeing as how a number of posters have already heard such things.

probably true, but lets not give them something to dig up as "proof". Especially since we're not talking anything criminal, nothing unethical nor showing a lack of ethics or anything beyond, perhaps, bad judgement and inexperience (since its all heresay and we REALLY don't know).

 

[illi3]

probably true, but lets not give them something to dig up as "proof". Especially since we're not talking anything criminal, nothing unethical nor showing a lack of ethics or anything beyond, perhaps, bad judgement and inexperience (since its all heresay and we REALLY don't know).

Players and their families are talking. This surely isn't the first time a situation like this has occurred. Other staffs are hearing it in person; they don't need to look at message board chatter.

And let it be said that I don't thing there is anything wrong with the players and their families being honest about their experiences, both good and bad. I also very much respect your opinion and point; I just assume the cat is out of the bag already.

 

[Chip]

This was inevitable.

 

[javadoc]

Yeah, and unfortunately we're only getting one side of the story.

Thanks to those who have provided info. Something doesn't seem... right? If events transpired exactly as described, I cannot make any sense of it. I can't come up with a scenario where a real person would do what Fran is alleged to have done. Something doesn't add up.

Anyways, good luck to DG at his new gig.

 

[OburgOrange]

Hmm

 

[AAM62]

Yeah, and unfortunately we're only getting one side of the story.

This part.

Again, respect to the poster and absolutely no shade, but it started with noting Gill got multi 7 figure deals. That's the story, the rest is narrative control from the family. Not saying Fran wasn't a or is blameless, but lets not turn this into 100% a "Fran is a bad guy" story.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Thanks to those who have provided info. Something doesn't seem... right? If events transpired exactly as described, I cannot make any sense of it. I can't come up with a scenario where a real person would do what Fran is alleged to have done. Something doesn't add up.

Gill's family.

Cook's Uncle.

Perry's Grandmother.

I'm sure we can even work in one of Judah Mintz' relatives too.

Can't wait for the Family Feud episodes to come out in syndication.

 

[sufan59]

I was specifically talking NIL. Not the University sharing funds. Those only started for his Jr. year, and yes he was a part of that. But something is wrong when you work to get a freshman new player multiple 7 figures but no effort is made to get NIL money to your current players. Again, this will eventually disappear as all deals will be made up front. I still think this is a case of being an old Babers recruit and NIL was not around then. I know it requires the player to do something, and this was not the issue. I spoke to several in the Syracuse NIL community that wanted to get Darrell NIL money. It just never happened.

Appreciate the info llandz. It really just sounds like Gill wasn’t a priority for Fran to keep around the program. It doesn’t mean Gill did anything wrong. But if he was a priority to keep, I’m sure they would’ve made it a priority to get him more money, but based on his interest level elsewhere and his eventual destination, he is going to be doing just fine and found a place where they see higher value in him. I think our wide receiver room is good as long as we have a QB to get them the football. But we’ll see decisions by the head coach can have rewards or consequences, we will find out overtime.

 

[orangepassion]

This part.

Again, respect to the poster and absolutely no shade, but it started with noting Gill got multi 7 figure deals. That's the story, the rest is narrative control from the family. Not saying Fran wasn't a or is blameless, but lets not turn this into 100% a "Fran is a bad guy" story.

I disagree-I don't know why the Gill family would need to make this up. I think Fran has tremendous confidence in his ability to recruit and just replace people, but this will start to get around if he doesn't grow.

 

[javadoc]

Gill's family.

Cook's Uncle.

Perry's Grandmother.

I'm sure we can even work in one of Judah Mintz' relatives too.

Can't wait for the Family Feud episodes to come out in syndication.

Maybe someone at the P-S will lob a hit piece about this. If so, one would hope that they'd get in contact with the agent, who would say things on the record, with attribution.

 

[Cuseregular]

This part.

Again, respect to the poster and absolutely no shade, but it started with noting Gill got multi 7 figure deals. That's the story, the rest is narrative control from the family. Not saying Fran wasn't a or is blameless, but lets not turn this into 100% a "Fran is a bad guy" story.

could also be the loss of frans patience on hearing about the $ situation elsewhere.

 

[GoCuse14]

If keeping it real when someone throws a tantrum post unprovoked is considered disrespectful then I don't know what to tell ya. I was going to let you play with my ball next week, but now I'm not because something happened somewhere else. Anyways, I wish we still had Gill. I think he would have had a monster year this year with a semi competent QB and he's got the measurables to play in the NFL. I wish him well. If he's after a bag and/or a chance at the CFP, I don't fault him one bit.

Oh yeah!!!! We get the "
keeping it real, guy." That's fun.

 

[Blanko97]

This part.

Again, respect to the poster and absolutely no shade, but it started with noting Gill got multi 7 figure deals. That's the story, the rest is narrative control from the family. Not saying Fran wasn't a or is blameless, but lets not turn this into 100% a "Fran is a bad guy" story.

I’m not sure ignoring the added context is fair either?

 

[Blanko97]

could also be the loss of frans patience on hearing about the $ situation elsewhere.

Well that’s the reality. Every player who comes in that’s worth a damn will have the same conversation. If he doesn’t want to hear about money then he should coach high school

 

[sufan59]

THe thing you are missing is he asked him to stay. They had a meeting just the week before talking about how the next year would go and that Darrell was "his man". At the same time, he was letting those he didn't want to stay, know. He never told Darrell he didn't want him next season. Just the opposite. If Darrell didn't ask for that 2nd meeting to ask a couple of questions, none of this would have happened, and he would still be with the team.
But I also can add, that I was told by several players family members throughout the season that a lot of players had an issue with Fran and he had lost the team early on, even before the Angelli injury. I just let it in one ear and out the other but now see the problem. It isn't even the DART aspect. I just think he is not a "players coach" He doesn't value the players enough or let that be known.
Again, I want Fran to succeed. I think he is the right coach for Syracuse. He just still has a learning curve, and Gill is a portion of that learning curve. My purpose is more to defend Darrell as he is really just s great person. None of this should have happened the way it did, and I am mostly trying to defend the Gills in all of this. Seriously the nicest family, and a lot of you met them as I brought them to our tailgates a couple of times.
ps: Another interesting fact, is that his mother was working with an NIL group, with Fran's permission to try to get NIL money for SU from Hewlett Packard where she runs a fairly large group of programmers. The family was all in on SU and would do anything to help the program.

I don’t think anyone has any issues with Darrell Gill or his family. He may have told Darrell that he was “his man”, but in action he basically showed that he wasn’t because he would’ve been more prioritized in compensation and the relationship. I also do believe your account that Fran did lose this team early is spot on, he had said in multiple press conferences that this team was not mature enough and wasn’t player led enough. It seemed he knew this very early on well before the season that there was a culture problem. We’ll see what he learned from that and how he will correct it moving forward. This upcoming season really does feel like the first real year of Fran where it’s his guys. I think 2024 was a launch year and a year to send the Dino Seniors and other guys throughout the country Fran and staff had relationships with that weren’t valued enough at their previous locations and buried on the depth chart on a good note. 2025 they completely fumbled the winter portal on who needed to leave and who they needed to get. Made some corrections in the spring, but it wasn’t enough.