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Message: [QUOTE="dasher, post: 1894644, member: 6061"] You clearly don't follow baseball closely if you think 1. that Martinez in anyway compared to Ortiz and 2. Ortiz never failed a test for roids. Just plain wrong. He was alleged to be on a list, and we don't know for sure because the list has never been made public for p.e.d's . They don't say what kind. UInlike A-Rod, he was never linked to PEDS in any way again. Oh, and the stats between Edgar Martinez and Ortiz.. Runs scored Ortiz 1417 Martinez 1219 RBI's Ortiz 1765 Martinez 1261 HR's Ortiz 540 Martinez 309 Batting average Ortiz .286 Martinez .312 We won't get in to the sick numbers Ortiz post season. [/QUOTE]