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Message: [QUOTE="Ghost, post: 1894704, member: 581"] Eh, so Ortiz career's arc pretty much follows every user's ever...but he's the one legit player who's career followed that amazingly strange trajectory and never used. Even after the "unconfirmed" link. Makes some sense I guess. What public test did Bonds ever fail (unsealed court documents not included)? What public test did ARod ever fail? People are crazy that think Ortiz didn't use. He once said he was tested like 80 times by MLB, they don't test that much.....unless you already failed. I mean, I get it, you're a fan. Eh, Martinez had a far better oWaR, better aRaR, pretty much every advanced metric to be honest...but Ortiz hit a lot of HRs and was a huge run producer. He's a great player, wouldn't dispute that, not better than Edgar though. Unless you like HRs and teddy-bears a lot. In any way compares? lolololololololololololololol [/QUOTE]