AO was so good.
I still want to hop into a time machine and tell Boeheim not to play AO against Georgetown in the BET back in 2010. "I'm from the future, Coach...just trust me!"
IMO you hit the nail on the head. He somehow needs to learn how to slow down and use his awesome strength to create space. Guys like Tim Duncan, Sean May, and AO were all really good at that. Coleman reminds me a little of Big Baby Davis (though clearly Big Baby is on another level from Dajuan) - he is almost too quick and athletic for his own good - tries to slither and double clutch too much which leads him into trouble.Is it just me or every time DC catches the ball he wants to 100 mph and wants to score and that's when he gets into trouble. I would love to see DC work with AO on low post moves
AO was so good.
I still want to hop into a time machine and tell Boeheim not to play AO against Georgetown in the BET back in 2010. "I'm from the future, Coach...just trust me!"
IMO you hit the nail on the head. He somehow needs to learn how to slow down and use his awesome strength to create space. Guys like Tim Duncan, Sean May, and AO were all really good at that. Coleman reminds me a little of Big Baby Davis (though clearly Big Baby is on another level from Dajuan) - he is almost too quick and athletic for his own good - tries to slither and double clutch too much which leads him into trouble.
I look at DC and AO as the same type of player (big body, below the rim type player, 6'9), maybe DC is a little more athletic but I think AO had great post moves and DC could learn a lot by working with him
You can use strength to create space though. Use a subtle shoulder dip to create a little room and then use his soft touch. He uses the shoulder dip to try and go under\around guys too much. Just puts him into trouble.He is fine using his strength to get position, he needs to use his skill to score after that. He is trying to use his strength to clear out when he has that ball and it just will not work at this level.
You can use strength to create space though. Use a subtle shoulder dip to create a little room and then use his soft touch. He uses the shoulder dip to try and go under\around guys too much. Just puts him into trouble.
This Sean May mix is largely unwatchable but go to the 1:20ish mark that is what I mean. Physically Dajuan and Sean May are pretty similar, and Dajuan actually has some of the same skills too.
You can use strength to create space though. Use a subtle shoulder dip to create a little room and then use his soft touch. He uses the shoulder dip to try and go under\around guys too much. Just puts him into trouble.
This Sean May mix is largely unwatchable but go to the 1:20ish mark that is what I mean. Physically Dajuan and Sean May are pretty similar, and Dajuan actually has some of the same skills too.
When he puts his head down it looks like he loses where the rim is. I'd like to see him go stronger to the hoop but not into the defender. Quick moves are good when used correctly. Spacing helps as well. It depends on who he is facing and if they ever double team him. The big guys don't get enough touches in Boeheims offense and the few times they have the ball they often get too excited and try to do too much too soon. I see glimpses of what Coleman could be if he continues to work on his WHOLE game offensively and a left hand would make him that much better. Defensively he's got strong hands and when he gets his mitts on a ball, he usually posses it.
As for the AO comparison, didn't he redshirt? Add to that he really didn't start to turn it on until later in his career here and at this stage Coleman is ahead of him. Great point about showing his moves to Coleman and to give him the knowledge that took AO a while to execute.
When he puts his head down it looks like he loses where the rim is. I'd like to see him go stronger to the hoop but not into the defender. Quick moves are good when used correctly. Spacing helps as well. It depends on who he is facing and if they ever double team him. The big guys don't get enough touches in Boeheims offense and the few times they have the ball they often get too excited and try to do too much too soon. I see glimpses of what Coleman could be if he continues to work on his WHOLE game offensively and a left hand would make him that much better. Defensively he's got strong hands and when he gets his mitts on a ball, he usually posses it.
As for the AO comparison, didn't he redshirt? Add to that he really didn't start to turn it on until later in his career here and at this stage Coleman is ahead of him. Great point about showing his moves to Coleman and to give him the knowledge that took AO a while to execute.
AO was arguably the best offensive option on the team as a sophomore(which was his 3rd year here because of the injury redshirt). He didn't play much as a freshman, but when he did he looked better offensively than Coleman has so far. I remember AO having good moments against good teams like Louisville, Cincinatti, and Texas Tech his freshman year, where he looked like he'd be a real force in the future.
Yeah, he does seem to lose track of the rim - he kind of goes up like a spazzy high school kid who just wants to get the foul call by flailing his arms about. Probably works well against over-matched people inside - not going to work against any solid post defender.
I don't know that you have to have played the position to coach it, but that's one way you could go. Even in football guys coach positions they never played. I believe P was a linebacker, and he coached TE's in the NFL. Shafer was a QB in college but has made his living as a defensive coach.I'm beating a dead horse here, as I've made this point many times... but I am going to reiterate...
We need a big man coach. I realize Hop is an invaluable recruiter and assistant but the lack of improvement from our bigs in recent years has been glairing. Can't we use our vast resources to find someone who actually played power forward or center to coach our power forwards and centers? If you guys think that anyone can coach bigs, that's your opinion and that's fine. I think we need a guy who has played the position to teach our bigs.
I look at it like football: when you hire a receivers coach, don't you think an ex-receiver makes a better candidate because they've been there/ done that? When a WR coach (like Rob Moore), shows how to run a route effectively, doesn't it help that they used to do it in their playing days? I realize the guy has to be able to recruit. I also understand that our current coaches are fantastic but they are all ex-guards.
As others in this thread have said, there are 2 or 3 basic go-to moves for big men. That I can't recall Dajaun even trying a baby hook is very telling. He's been making the same bull in a china closet move for two years...and don't get me started on Roc, who still is very limited in what he's even trying to do offensively.
I have to admit I wasn't a big fan of DC2 when he was coming in. He is built like a truck but didn't play like one. We saw an instant change from Fab his first to second year but I don't think we see anything close to that this year. Defensively he looks completely lost, offensively I cringe when he has the ball or is even open hoping somebody doesn't see him with his hands in the air.
I'm not trying to be a pessimist about DC2 and I hope he proves me wrong but I don't see him becoming much here and I think after BMK leaves we're going to be praying that Chin is ready to play 30 minutes a game. Outside of ht & wt that's where the comparisons should stop with AO and DC2. They're completely different players with totally different skill sets.
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Sort of captures my general feeling last year when I first saw him play. I'm still somewhat unsure what I think of his long term prospects, but I am fairly sure that he's not going to give us what most are hoping for this year. The rebounding should be solid, but not sure what else he's going to give us other than a live body. And maybe that's enough - but not what I was hoping for when he signed.
I do think he has a decent chance to make that jump going forward though. His tendency to always have the ball around his waist sort of inhibits his game - and I'm not sure how explosive he is/or may be going forward as he gets in better shape. I don't know, hopefully it gets clearer through the next few games. I wouldn't be shocked if I was wrong.