Dead men walking

[RF2044]

Looks like Sean Miller isn't long for U of A. Deservedly so.


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Below the line of demarcation [for now]:

• John Calipari
• Bill Self
• Bruce Pearl
• Coach K
• Tom Izzo
• Roy Williams?
• Jim Laranaga
• Andy Enfield
• Others?

Going to be an interesting couple of months.

 

[Knicks411]

How can you possibly talk your way out of being recorded talking about paying someone $100,000? He's got to be done at the college level, right?

 

[Cusefan0307]

If I am a head coach that brokered a deal for a player in the past 5 years I’d be crapping my pants right now.

 

[cuseinseattle]

Looks like Sean Miller isn't long for U of A. Deservedly so.


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Below the line of demarcation [for now]:

• John Calipari
• Bill Self
• Bruce Pearl
• Coach K
• Tom Izzo
• Roy Williams?
• Jim Laranaga
• Andy Enfield
• Others?

Going to be an interesting couple of months.

I think every one of the coaches you listed goes down

 

[HOFCeluck]

If anything comes out about Izzo he’s gone. No way he survives his plus the Nassar stuff.

 

[jgeorge322]

I think every one of the coaches you listed goes down

Waaaay to soon to tell. And if thats true, I’d be worried about JB.

 

[bpo57]

We might want to hold off on the schadenfreude until we know we are in the clear. This could get really fugly.

 

[RF2044]

We might want to hold off on the schadenfreude until we know we are in the clear. This could get really fugly.

It isn't schadenfreude -- it is an accounting as this story unfolds.

 

[bpo57]

It isn't schadenfreude -- it is an accounting as this story unfolds.

I assume you have read, as probably most of us have, that this investigation is wide ranging. I don't think we can limit it to a few coaches.

 

[RF2044]

I assume you have read, as probably most of us have, that this investigation is wide ranging. I don't think we can limit it to a few coaches.

Right -- which is why I'm consolidating a list.

I'm less concerned about small programs / coaches that most are unfamiliar with, although people are certainly welcome to contribute those names here. There are also likely to be programs that have minor impacts. The names I listed above don't fit into that category, if the FBI information that's been leaked thus far is to be taken at face value.

 

[Waltdods]

I think every one of the coaches you listed goes down

No way.

A couple of the most-clearly implicated coaches will be pushed out, a guy like Izzo who is already on thin ice may not be able to sustain additional significant heat. But no way the three most prominent coaches in the game (k, Williams, cal) are going down because of this.

We kind of already went through this once - there was a major furor with the first fbi announcement, Pitino and a handful of assistants took a dive, and then life went on. This time it will be Miller. Next time it might be Izzo. The NCAA is going to say that this is terrible behavior but mostly not a violation of NCAA rules by the programs (the players the NCAA will happily throw under the bus), make a huge show of promising reform, adopt a bunch of new agent rules that push the money elsewhere, start giving players a few thousand dollars as a stipend, and insist everything’s fine now.

And most of us - me definitely included - will be fine with that. Because this is the only way college sports as we know it survives - with everyone pretending not to know about the rot at its heart. The NCAA has always been wily coyote running off the mountain; the fbi is forcing us to look down, but we and the NCAA will go right back to what we were doing as soon as sufficient time and sacrificial lambs have passed.

 

[CousCuse]

No way.

A couple of the most-clearly implicated coaches will be pushed out, a guy like Izzo who is already on thin ice may not be able to sustain additional significant heat. But no way the three most prominent coaches in the game (k, Williams, cal) are going down because of this.

We kind of already went through this once - there was a major furor with the first fbi announcement, Pitino and a handful of assistants took a dive, and then life went on. This time it will be Miller. Next time it might be Izzo. The NCAA is going to say that this is terrible behavior but mostly not a violation of NCAA rules by the programs (the players the NCAA will happily throw under the bus), make a huge show of promising reform, adopt a bunch of new agent rules that push the money elsewhere, start giving players a few thousand dollars as a stipend, and insist everything’s fine now.

And most of us - me definitely included - will be fine with that. Because this is the only way college sports as we know it survives - with everyone pretending not to know about the rot at its heart. The NCAA has always been wily coyote running off the mountain; the fbi is forcing us to look down, but we and the NCAA will go right back to what we were doing as soon as sufficient time and sacrificial lambs have passed.

You believe these guys can dodge the FBI? Every game they coach is another count against them.

 

[Madbiker]

They'll never get Cal. Never take him alive.

 

[MikeDamone]

I think every one of the coaches you listed goes down

Nope. K and Roy are too big to fail. See unc 20 years of sham classes

 

[721Comstock]

Nope. K and Roy are too big to fail. See unc 20 years of sham classes

This isn't the NCAA. This is the FBI. They don't have a rooting or monetary interest in the Blue Bloods.

 

[jncuse]

A program should fall because of what Sean Miller did. under the current rules. (even if I support compensation)

IMO, a program should not fall because a player received a loan from an agent. Hammering schools, players, and enforcing tighter rules around any contact with agents going forward sends the wrong message. Personally I think it's absurd that people are so blood thirsty to put program down, that they don't actually sit back and think what is causing some of these infractions. "Hey, does it make sense that the NCAA doesn't allow an independent party to loan money to a kid before he goes pro, Why should I support the NCAA having this much control over a player".

All payments have to be evaluated individually of course.

Trust me I would love to hammer Duke and some of these blue bloods. But I can't over some of this stuff. Some of the stuff tells me the NCAA needs to change

 

[MikeDamone]

This isn't the NCAA. This is the FBI. They don't have a rooting or monetary interest in the Blue Bloods.

Stop with this narrative. Can the fbi ban duke or unc from the tourney? Can they dock them scholarships? Only continue that narrative if you think K or Roy will be arrested by the fbi

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

They'll never get Cal. Never take him alive.

Cal = Al Capone

Too smart; probably disconnects himself completely from all the pay for play/shady stuff that exists at UK. Likely puts it all on his assistants. Need to take him down for something else, like unpaid parking tickets.

 

[721Comstock]

Stop with this narrative. Can the fbi ban duke or unc from the tourney? Can they dock them scholarships? Only continue that narrative if you think K or Roy will be arrested by the fbi

Can the NCAA subpoena anybody?
Do wiretaps?
Get search warrants?
Arrest people?

The NCAA won’t have to do anything.
Like usual.
The schools will be forced to fire people.
Like Pitino, for example.

And then - maybe then - the NCAA will be forced to do something.
For once.

 

[MikeDamone]

Can the NCAA subpoena anybody?
Do wiretaps?
Get search warrants?
Arrest people?

The NCAA won’t have to do anything.
Like usual.
The schools will be forced to fire people.
Like Pitino, for example.

And then - maybe then - the NCAA will be forced to do something.
For once.

That's the point. The NCAA can be faced with massive evidence and choose to do nothing. They already have in the UNC sham classes scandal. Same thing will happen here

 

[Orangefan1]

Dead man walking is still walking. The fbi doesn’t seem to have much power if they have wiretaps and a coach on the line and nothing is done by the University?its sickening

 

[20Plus]

I thought this thread was going to be about our guard situation No legs left