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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 369832, member: 716"] I kind of like the steps you've listed (and agree about #1) but don't think #2 applies. First, I would argue that that's not a goal. From #1, I'd like to see us move to #3. 2002-2004 saw 4-8, 6-6, 6-6. It'd be nice to see a more pronounced improvement (in terms of wins and losses) than that. Heck, you could argue that stablizing the program entails getting us to the 2002-2004 level. Second, it's not worth judging this until the season is through, but I don't see how you can claim he's failed at getting the program to that level. As of when? Last year's 5-7? As of this week? 2002-2004 stunk, for the most part. Mediocre records, too many Louisville/Rutgers/Temple losses, too many blowouts. Right now we've got a year and a quarter of mediocre records. Let's see where it goes from here. [/QUOTE]