Deeper Dive into Syracuse v ND

[CuseLegacy]

how is that arrogant? it is an opinion. And your complaining about me saying that . Grow up

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[Cusefan95]

I am a football nerd

It was a yes or no question. The fact that you are a nerd, although obvious by your team preference - is irrelevant.

 

[gbo]

Our front 7 is as good or better. So chuckle away. He also said our front 7 is different where Clemson is strictly geared against the run. They did mention your pass rushers and said that your defense is athletic but not big. Listen Driskell was a CFB coach but he is basing that on what happen to ND in a prior season. pretty reasonable assessment if you asked me. The reality is Notre Dame plays its game does not make many mistakes we will win. The arrogance is with you getting smug with your response. What do you expect him to say. Notre Dame talent is greater than Syracuse. Notre Dame gets 3-4-5 star kids as does clemson. It does not mean ND is going to walk away with the game ask the clemson coach. It means he thinks notre dame should win and over the course of the game and dominate. Will they is the question. I thought he was fair and complimentary to Syracuse. Also the show is for ND fans not syracuse fans. But I thought you guys would get a different perspective. The problem with most fan bases they start getting arrogant and thinking they are better than they are. Too me the Irish are very capable of making the playoffs and winning the opening round after that if they play Bama I would say they have a 2 or 3 chance in 10 to win.

 

[MGDCuse]

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Wondered if you were looking in on this debate.

 

[bpo57]

The stats don’t share that opinion of your DL.

We’re eyes wide open, here man. You guys have lots of advantages in other areas - but our DL is legit.

Very good analysis with the original post.

The thing you're underestimating about their D Line is their depth. They go eight deep and there is not a lot of difference from the first four to the second four. Daelen Hayes could start and be a serious pass rushing threat for just about every team in the country. Overall on D, Tillery, Coney, Love, Okwara, Hayes and Gilman will all be playing on Sundays. In fact the first three are all likely to go in the first round.

 

[gbo]

Wondered if you were looking in on this debate.

Cuse has an excellent chance. Not sure what games he's been watching but it's obvious it's not what the rest of us have seen.

 

[bpo57]

I have. I’ve seen Cuse DE sack a lot of QBs (#9 nationally) and have a lot of tackles for loss (#27 nationally).

Clemson’s DL is insane (#2 in tackles for loss, #3 in sacks).

You guys are middle of the pack.

Where does strength of schedule come into play? You gotta admit that most of our opponents don't even fall into the top 50. That has to be kept in mind when evaluating statistical rankings. The other point is that DL play is not just about the pass rush. Stopping the run is a big deal, too.

 

[MGDCuse]

Cuse has an excellent chance. Not sure what games he's been watching but it's obvious it's not what the rest of us have seen.

I'm sure they have more talent, depth, etc. But we have nothing to lose in this game and Dungey is such a game changer. Dino's not too bad either as a coach and a motivator to his players.

 

[TheCusian]

Where does strength of schedule come into play? You gotta admit that most of our opponents don't even fall into the top 50. That has to be kept in mind when evaluating statistical rankings. The other point is that DL play is not just about the pass rush. Stopping the run is a big deal, too.

ND SOS: 59
Sry SOS: 71

My take isn’t that they have a bad DL. It’s that comparing themselves favorably to Clemson’s is crazy talk. We are better at getting to the QB by the stats.

I’ll 100% give them better against the run.

 

[zona]

I have. I’ve seen Cuse DE sack a lot of QBs (#9 nationally) and have a lot of tackles for loss (#27 nationally).

Clemson’s DL is insane (#2 in tackles for loss, #3 in sacks).

You guys are middle of the pack.

Watch the pitt game. 2nd half pitt could not move the ball. 'watch the michigan game ND was up 24-3. The whole game michigan could not move. they had one drive for FG. and KO return. And last 6 minutes they drove when the Irish played slow it down and keep everything in front of them. scored ended 24-17

 

[TheCusian]

Watch the pitt game. 2nd half pitt could not move the ball. 'watch the michigan game ND was up 24-3. The whole game michigan could not move. they had one drive for FG. and KO return. And last 6 minutes they drove when the Irish played slow it down and keep everything in front of them. scored ended 24-17

I’ve been pretty consistent in saying your D is very good. I just take issue with the DL being better than Clemson’s or better at creating havoc for a QB than ours.

It’s not all that debatable.

 

[magelly]

I don't know what to think about this game. You have more talent but a few of the teams we beat or almost beat this year had more talent. Dungey is absolutely one the toughest players I've ever seen and can will this team to a victory. Should be fun. I do think our d line will get to your qb a lot and cause at least one turnover.

 

[City of Cuse]

Watch the pitt game.

No thanks.

 

[bpo57]

ND SOS: 59
Sry SOS: 71

My take isn’t that they have a bad DL. It’s that comparing themselves favorably to Clemson’s is crazy talk. We are better at getting to the QB by the stats.

I’ll 100% give them better against the run.

My point is that the stats can't always be looked at as apples to apples. SU has been involved with a few really weak teams (UConn, Wagner and L'ville come to mind) where they were blowing them out. Those teams had to pass from the get-go and that creates sack opportunities against weak teams.

I would agree that ND's front four starters aren't as good as Clemson but the fact that they have unusually strong depth in their second string helps to narrow the gap a bit. I'd also say that ND's secondary is clearly better than Clemson's secondary.

One major point in SU's favor is that ND's offensive tackles struggle with speedy pass rushers so SU needs to exploit that by getting ND in second and third and long. That will be a serious challenge tho because lesser rushing attacks have gashed SU.

 

[magelly]

SU will win this game. They have the talent, but we have the will to win this game.

 

[TheCusian]

My point is that the stats can't always be looked at as apples to apples. SU has been involved with a few really weak teams (UConn, Wagner and L'ville come to mind) where they were blowing them out. Those teams had to pass from the get-go and that creates sack opportunities against weak teams.

I would agree that ND's front four starters aren't as good as Clemson but the fact that they have unusually strong depth in their second string helps to narrow the gap a bit. I'd also say that ND's secondary is clearly better than Clemson's secondary.

One major point in SU's favor is that ND's offensive tackles struggle with speedy pass rushers so SU needs to exploit that by getting ND in second and third and long. That will be a serious challenge tho because lesser rushing attacks have gashed SU.

I’m not suggesting that we look at the stats like that at all. I’ve watched them get pressure against Lawrence and Clemson’s OL. Finley in the Dome vs NC State.

(Many of the numbers in the OP are opponent adjusted and account for opponent.)

I don’t doubt they have better depth. They should.

 

[CIL]

It’s not Zona’s fault, he didn’t know.

 

[upperdeck]

you have to remove wagner from any equation, ND doesnt play that type of opp

 

[bpo57]

I’m not suggesting that we look at the stats like that at all. I’ve watched them get pressure against Lawrence and Clemson’s OL. Finley in the Dome vs NC State.

(Many of the numbers in the OP are opponent adjusted and account for opponent.)

I don’t doubt they have better depth. They should.

Not better depth than SU. Better depth on the DL than Clemson.

 

[shu 49]

Your D-line is geared to play passing teams as is your overall D. They are a good pass rushing team. I do not doubt Book will be sacked a few times. That said your weakness is they are not big so over a course of a game they can be worn down. I think some of you guys should examine film of your team clemson and ND. I have done that for years being a HS coach. Maybe not at the level of CFB but still you have to evaluate things to improve your team. You review each play and each player and grade them. That is how they know and it is how you know

I agree that we are geared more for pass. We also have steadily improved over time at lb which was our weakness at Pitt and Clemson. As a hs coach also u must see the difference between our backers then and now. We aren’t big so ur correct there but we are more aggressive at lb. before we were taught to step back or stay stationary until play develops which I disagree with as everyone on here knows but Guthrie and Shy are much better at downhill playing. We are slowly turning into an ok defense. If we only get 2 sacks off ur tackles then I will be greatly disappointed. I have seen ur tackles and they are good but Robinson will be as good as they have seen and he is improving on run. Not getting too far up ffield on run downs. Coleman is consistent. Slayton is tough. Don’t try blocking him man up. I hope today is a great day for us. Are u a better star studded team in terms of recruiting standpoint, yeah. Are u better coached, not really at all there. ST we should win there. If Dungey comes in and slings it we are in it to win it. If he is off, well it can go either way. U just have to realize we play to our opponents talent and we do well in big games. U guys or Clemson we are bringing it. U put ur pants on same way we do so it could come down to heart. Either way hope it’s a great game. Ur high draft picks give our lower ones a chance to show it’s not all about stars. Good luck to all. Nice to talk football as my fiancé hates it. Go orange.

 

[zona]

I agree that we are geared more for pass. We also have steadily improved over time at lb which was our weakness at Pitt and Clemson. As a hs coach also u must see the difference between our backers then and now. We aren’t big so ur correct there but we are more aggressive at lb. before we were taught to step back or stay stationary until play develops which I disagree with as everyone on here knows but Guthrie and Shy are much better at downhill playing. We are slowly turning into an ok defense. If we only get 2 sacks off ur tackles then I will be greatly disappointed. I have seen ur tackles and they are good but Robinson will be as good as they have seen and he is improving on run. Not getting too far up ffield on run downs. Coleman is consistent. Slayton is tough. Don’t try blocking him man up. I hope today is a great day for us. Are u a better star studded team in terms of recruiting standpoint, yeah. Are u better coached, not really at all there. ST we should win there. If Dungey comes in and slings it we are in it to win it. If he is off, well it can go either way. U just have to realize we play to our opponents talent and we do well in big games. U guys or Clemson we are bringing it. U put ur pants on same way we do so it could come down to heart. Either way hope it’s a great game. Ur high draft picks give our lower ones a chance to show it’s not all about stars. Good luck to all. Nice to talk football as my fiancé hates it. Go orange.

My notation on Syracuse play. They did not quit and your coach is good. if you see people saying its the coaching it is not. Your D actually played really well. coverage overall was good, your linebackers played real well in coverage also. so book had a hard time but I believe he is going to be special. That said Notre Dame bottled up your offense for the most part. Some of it may have been the Dungy injury but non the less they were bottled up. The injury goes back to my point about depth and recruiting. Notre Dame and Clemson have more depth where Syracuse if an injury to key player happens it is harder for your team to adapt. In the Clemson game when the QB went out they struggled but eventually got it together to pull the win out. It was because of depth. Your backup QB is not terrible he is just not ready like Dungy.

 

[blust2i3d4]

more to it. As I said on a different thread I still think Ohio State is better than Purdue. The reason is talent. However, if they played each other 10 times Purdue will win maybe 3 times. like Syracuse, I think if they played Clemson or ND 10 times they are are going to win up to 3 times. Is that arrogant? it is looking @ the talent and how these teams are coached.

I think we would win 3 or 4 times against Clemson but only 2 times against Notre Dame.

 

[zona]

I think we would win 3 or 4 times against Clemson but only 2 times against Notre Dame.

Dungy is player that has balls the size of grapefruits. Very impressed with him. I was watching him set up and when he fell I thought back injury or nerve injury. I hope he recovers before the BC game. You are better than BC and deserve a good bowl game