defense better than 09-10 team

[albanycuse]

turbo zone bocadoug style.

 

[SoBristol]

Perimeter defense may be better. Not convinced about the inside defense, rebounding, or defense of the high post.

 

[BlackKnight76]

You can definitely make the argument. We get a ton of steals this year, but Rautins was such a force that teams couldn't pass the ball around the top of the zone after he stole seven passes against UNC. I think we block more shots, and we probably have better defensive depth though. Rebounding is still a concern.

 

[HoustonCuse]

This is the rarely seen Trunk Monkey Zone. When in use, the full-court defence becomes the Turbo-and-Ozone Press (TOP for short).

 

[cto]

This is the rarely seen Trunk Monkey Zone. When in use, the full-court defence becomes the Turbo-and-Ozone Press (TOP for short).

I have no idea what you just said.

 

[jdubs30]

Perimeter defense may be better. Not convinced about the inside defense, rebounding, or defense of the high post.

Rebounding isn't as good. But Fab and BMK are a lot quicker to the ball than AO and Rick were. They are lighter on their feet and do a better job overall of guarding that lower foul line area.

The rebounding not being as good is more because of the 4, not the 5. The 4 in 09 was either Wes or Rick. This year it's CJ, Joseph or Southerland. Wes and Rick were worlds ahead of these 3 in rebounding.

But I do agree that the perimeter is alot better.

 

[jdubs30]

You can definitely make the argument. We get a ton of steals this year, but Rautins was such a force that teams couldn't pass the ball around the top of the zone after he stole seven passes against UNC. I think we block more shots, and we probably have better defensive depth though. Rebounding is still a concern.

I wish Rautins/Waiters could ahve been at the top together, that would have been a show. That being said, I think MCW has some serious potential up there, he seems as quick as anyone we've had in a while and he's 6'6 with long arms.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

To me, a defense that relies on steals to be good is like a batter who has a high on base percentage due to a high number of being hit by pitch. you cant really bank on it going forward

 

[alibrat66]

I have no idea what you just said.

Joyce, trunk monkey is from a car ad. It's a monkey who comes out of the trunk to protect the owner of the car by various means.

 

[sutomcat]

Trunk Monkey Ads

Kind of disturbing, kind of amusing. Jane Goodall would not be happy.

 

[Guinness]

turbo zone bocadoug style.

I miss BocaDoug.

 

[SWC75]

I have no idea what you just said.

That's a good sign.

 

[KingOtis]

I remember hearing this last November and December. Let's see what happens during conference play before making any judgments. That's what separated the 09-10 team from those that came before it. Even when the opposition knew what they were dealing with, they struggled (with the exception of Louisville, of course).

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

The two teams are similar in their unselfish play, passing up a good shot for a better one. That's what first caught my attention about the 09-10 team and made it so endearing. Both teams had aggressive defenders who had the talent, size and mindset to play the Zone to its full potential, but there seem to be slight differences.

The Wes-and-Andy team's version of defense forced bad shots, assuming the opposing team could get off any shots at all. They prevented passes and they were experts in turning the shot clock into a weapon (my favorite alleged quote from the 09-10 team was by the Albany player who said "Coach, I can't even see the high post!") Meanwhile, AO and Rick played a beautiful 2-man game underneath, boosting both their shooting percentages into the stratosphere.

This year's team signature is their "Steal and Deal" defense. They pick you clean and leave your bones to dry in the sun. They have the depth to press, and the talent to shred the press. They might not be as intimidating underneath, but on defense they're a charge waiting to happen and that pays dividends, too. The big difference (potentially) is in shooting, but I'm still waiting for them to get warmed up before making that assessment. Instead of Rautins, Wes, and a too-erratic Scoop and Triche, this year's team could have solid 3-pt strokers in James, Dion, Scoop, Triche, and KJ -- and CJ's mid-range jumper looks to be reliable, too. That's some heavy artillery that 09-10 never approached!

I don't think they have that much more gellin' to do to surpass 09-10, and here I thought 2 years ago we might never see a team as good as that one for quite a while. It's nice to be wrong.-VBOF

 

[Rossco123]

Except for the Butler game Andy and Wes were money at the end of the clock. As of yet we don’t have that this year.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I have no idea what you just said.

Don't worry, he writes for Grantland.com. That comment was typed by a trunk monkey at a keyboard.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The two teams are similar in their unselfish play, passing up a good shot for a better one. That's what first caught my attention about the 09-10 team and made it so endearing. Both teams had aggressive defenders who had the talent, size and mindset to play the Zone to its full potential, but there seem to be slight differences.

The Wes-and-Andy team's version of defense forced bad shots, assuming the opposing team could get off any shots at all. They prevented passes and they were experts in turning the shot clock into a weapon (my favorite alleged quote from the 09-10 team was by the Albany player who said "Coach, I can't even see the high post!") Meanwhile, AO and Rick played a beautiful 2-man game underneath, boosting both their shooting percentages into the stratosphere.

This year's team signature is their "Steal and Deal" defense. They pick you clean and leave your bones to dry in the sun. They have the depth to press, and the talent to shred the press. They might not be as intimidating underneath, but on defense they're a charge waiting to happen and that pays dividends, too. The big difference (potentially) is in shooting, but I'm still waiting for them to get warmed up before making that assessment. Instead of Rautins, Wes, and a too-erratic Scoop and Triche, this year's team could have solid 3-pt strokers in James, Dion, Scoop, Triche, and KJ -- and CJ's mid-range jumper looks to be reliable, too. That's some heavy artillery that 09-10 never approached!

I don't think they have that much more gellin' to do to surpass 09-10, and here I thought 2 years ago we might never see a team as good as that one for quite a while. It's nice to be wrong.-VBOF

Really good post. I agree, the 09-10 team had better interior defense, defended the post better and rebounded better. Wes did a great job on the defensive boards that Kris and C.J. have not approached yet. Dion is not quite Andy, but he and Scoop are beginning to do a pretty good job of pinching down on the foul line area, and Dion is great at getting out on the break from steals at the top of the zone. The 09-10 team also had two lights out 3 point shooters in Andy and Wes, whereas we've got about 5 adequate to streaky shooters to compensate on this year's team. I'm not sure that we will be quite as good, but there's still a couple months of work before we'll really know what we have in this team.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

turbo zone bocadoug style.

Well, you are comparing a team that went through a whole season to a team that has played only a couple of good teams so far.

To be fair, this squad will still evolve over the course of the season. Still, we can't really make a true comparison until we go through the meat of the Big East slate. Then we'll see if the defense is as good as we think it is.

 

[SWC75]

My recollection is that in a game at Rutgers, (I'm guessing the 1/25/05 game, which we won 86-84), we made a big come-back using the press. That was when the "trunk monkey" commercials were being run in which the car owner, in any emergency, could flip the lid on his trunk and a moneky would emerge and take care of any situation, (helping a woman give birth or fighting off aliens), and that you should buy a particular model of car because it had a "trunk monkey". I believe it was I who labeled our press in the chatroom, (it might have bene somebody else), labeled our press the "Trunk Monkey" press. Now that we are getting so many steals off the zone, Houstoncuse has label this the "Trunk Monkey Zone".

This is for anyone who wanted to try to figure out this thread.

 

[HoustonCuse]

SWC this is 90% correct. In the following years the term Trunk Monkey Press was co-opted by the Boehiem haters to further the idea that he only makes coaching decisions out of catastrophic emergency need and that his coaching is so poor that the press displays the frenzied lack of real discipline so common in most trunk monkeys. Monkeys with more refined talents typically find better work as organ grinders, truck driver side-kicks, etc.

Since the zone has been long named "tavern league" by said JB supporters and I took their name for the press, I also had to give it a new name; the "turbo and ozone." I will be much more impressed if someone unlocks that reference!

 

[SWC75]

SWC this is 90% correct. In the following years the term Trunk Monkey Press was co-opted by the Boehiem haters to further the idea that he only makes coaching decisions out of catastrophic emergency need and that his coaching is so poor that the press displays the frenzied lack of real discipline so common in most trunk monkeys. Monkeys with more refined talents typically find better work as organ grinders, truck driver side-kicks, etc.

Since the zone has been long named "tavern league" by said JB supporters and I took their name for the press, I also had to give it a new name; the "turbo and ozone." I will be much more impressed if someone unlocks that reference!

Trunk Monkeys could never deliver babies unless they had discipline, although a lack of discipline might scare off the aliens.