Despite BYU's interest, Big 12 has no interest in expansion

[Orangeyes]

Despite BYU's interest, Big 12 has no interest in expansion

 

[thorpedo]

BYU really shot itself in its foot going independent. Yes a lot of Mormons follow the school but they don't carry the same nation recognition as notre dame , which had to align itself to a conference in the end.

 

[texasorange]

BYU has had too much success and has too much of a pedigree to be left out. On the other hand from what I've heard they are a monster to deal with when you have them in a conference.

 

[WoadBlue]

BYU has had too much success and has too much of a pedigree to be left out. On the other hand from what I've heard they are a monster to deal with when you have them in a conference.

There are 2 real issues with BYU in a conference: they oppose conference mates selling beer in stadiums and they refuse to play any games on Sunday.

The first, everyone can ignore. The second causes major issues in all sports but football.

If BYU wants in, it must have its Prophet hear a new revelation from God that playing on Sunday is OK, as long as all Mormon players and coaches attend church on that day.

That should prove less harmful to the Mormon faithful than the Prophet hearing God say that polygamy must end, conveniently after the US made it clear that Utah could not be a state until the Mormons reversed Joseph Smith's voice from God ordering him and them to be polygamous.

 

[SmilinBob]

It's obvious that they have no interest in helping WV with travel costs and to me they are missing the boat big time not getting UCF. Off course all of that is a moot point since Texas will be in the ACC and I've read many times on a site that knows its football that Oklahoma is a shoe in for the Big 10.

 

[texasorange]

There are 2 real issues with BYU in a conference: they oppose conference mates selling beer in stadiums and they refuse to play any games on Sunday.

The first, everyone can ignore. The second causes major issues in all sports but football.

If BYU wants in, it must have its Prophet hear a new revelation from God that playing on Sunday is OK, as long as all Mormon players and coaches attend church on that day.

That should prove less harmful to the Mormon faithful than the Prophet hearing God say that polygamy must end, conveniently after the US made it clear that Utah could not be a state until the Mormons reversed Joseph Smith's voice from God ordering him and them to be polygamous.

They oppose selling beer????? To heck with them!!!

 

[thorpedo]

They oppose selling beer????? To heck with them!!!

I second this movement!

 

[HtownOrange]

The Big 12 Contract is set. They get no more money by adding any teams (If I recall, they get a proportional increase so the new team would get the same share, but the teams will not receive an increase). There is no incentive to expand. Texas and Oklahoma are in the drivers seats and can wait for a sweetheart deal. Unless there is major population growth in the plains states or they invite profitable teams in large markets, their conference is doomed to lag behind the others in TV deals.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If BYU wants in, it must have its Prophet hear a new revelation from God that playing on Sunday is OK, as long as all Mormon players and coaches attend church on that day.

Well, this isn't accurate at all.

 

[cuseinchina]

Well, this isn't accurate at all.

Mormons do not bend. Period. This makes them very good business people and works well when they are functioning on their home turf in parts of the west and enclaves around the country. But when you take that into a dynamic of give and take where as an institution you don't have the most chips on the table - and it doesn't work well at all.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Mormons do not bend. Period. This makes them very good business people and works well when they are functioning on their home turf in parts of the west and enclaves around the country. But when you take that into a dynamic of give and take where as an institution you don't have the most chips on the table - and it doesn't work well at all.

I'm not sure I'd argue about that. I was pointing out the inaccuracy of Woad's comment that BYU changing conferences would require a revelation to the Prophet.

 

[SmilinBob]

So BYU won't sell their soul for a profit, you have to admire that kind of principle.

 

[Indytarheel]

The Big 12 Contract is set. They get no more money by adding any teams (If I recall, they get a proportional increase so the new team would get the same share, but the teams will not receive an increase). There is no incentive to expand. Texas and Oklahoma are in the drivers seats and can wait for a sweetheart deal. Unless there is major population growth in the plains states or they invite profitable teams in large markets, their conference is doomed to lag behind the others in TV deals.

For the Big Texas it is all about the money. Of course they will sell the fact that everyone gets to play everyone and that is a great factor. But, when that conference flat lined with the defections, and a TV deal was brokered that kept each teams earnings the same, their fate was sealed. There is no one short of ND that would increase the value enough to allow for a new deal. They are already getting paid for a 12 team league with only ten members. If they expand, the TV deal will not pay more; therefore, the slice is less per team regardless of tier 3 rights. Basically, the Big Texas better hope that the playoff system doesn't change to include conference champions. That is why they latched onto the ACC proposal for no divisions and a conference having more say in how its champion is decided.

 

[HtownOrange]

For the Big Texas it is all about the money. Of course they will sell the fact that everyone gets to play everyone and that is a great factor. But, when that conference flat lined with the defections, and a TV deal was brokered that kept each teams earnings the same, their fate was sealed. There is no one short of ND that would increase the value enough to allow for a new deal. They are already getting paid for a 12 team league with only ten members. If they expand, the TV deal will not pay more; therefore, the slice is less per team regardless of tier 3 rights. Basically, the Big Texas better hope that the playoff system doesn't change to include conference champions. That is why they latched onto the ACC proposal for no divisions and a conference having more say in how its champion is decided.

It has been discussed and is probably easily verified that the Big 12 would get an equal share increase for each new team. Ex: If each team is getting $20MM, a new team would get the same $20MM, technically this amounts to an increase in the Big 12 TV contract, but not in the average per team payout. This was the confusion misunderstood by the Dude and other WVU folks who preached that the payout of each school would go up $2MM/team for each new school brought in ($20MM/10=$2MM per team increase). Your point about each team taking a cut to invite new teams is simply incorrect. There would be no penalty of a loss for inviting new teams; however, there is NO incentive to do so, either.

As for the Champions issue in the playoff, there is no issue. The Big 12 names a champion and that would qualify them for the playoff consideration. I do agree that they attached their support to the ACC request because they do not want to interfere with their situation.

 

[SU2NASA]

The Big 12 Contract is set. They get no more money by adding any teams (If I recall, they get a proportional increase so the new team would get the same share, but the teams will not receive an increase). There is no incentive to expand until Oklahoma's impending departure to the Big Ten happens.

Fixed.

 

[HtownOrange]

Fixed.

I forgot to add that. Thanks for clarifying that VERY important fact.