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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 2664028, member: 716"] Agree about OCC. The common theme among these Mahoney/Cuomo projects is lack of planning. The Amphitheater's pretty, and it's improved the big concert scene in Onondaga County by, I dunno, infinity percent. But they're never gonna solve the access problems because they dropped a 17,000-seat venue on a peninsula where people can only reach it through one gate. And they wrecked a nice new public park to build it. (The West Shore Trail is cut off by the venue and the county allows the promoter to totally shut it down for big windows of time around shows.) These two go for the quick big splash over doing things the right way. [/QUOTE]