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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 4780303, member: 668"] I don't know, even "kinda ok" can at least be debated. I mean, other than Dungey's final season, Babers' peer/ACC record has been quite putrid. Last year it was .500 at 4-4, so yeah, that's okay/mediocre, but other than that one, and the aforementioned Dungey one, it's been quite subpar/below .500. For me, this is more a measuring stick (than beating up on weak sister type non P5 OOC opponents) especially when considering (sans Clemson) the ACC has been generally a pretty mediocre type conference at best. We'll have to see how this season plays out of course, but at currently 0-1, and projected to be considerable dawgs in the next two on the road, 0-3 is staring Babers square in the face. He'll have his work cut for him, again, just to right the ship at that okay/mediocre .500 conference/peer record. [/QUOTE]