Disturbing, unanswered question

[ljmilman]

What is Rocket guilty of?

Likely perjury and PED use

 

[AZOrange]

Likely perjury and PED use

But as we speak, guilty of nothing correct?

 

[ljmilman]

But as we speak, guilty of nothing correct?

Thanks to mistrial, I believe he is currently not declared guilty, no.

 

[rrlbees]

Indeed...in the end he was. However, he himself opened up the can of worms by taking such an emphatic offensive approach. Most experts concluded that if he hadn't been so aggressive and just let the Mitchell Report alone, he wouldn't have torched himself...a lot of his fans, etc. would have just concluded...maybe...and nowhere near as damning...Maybe a bad analogy in Roger's case, but being extremely aggessive when you're a public figure is a very very slippery slope, especially when the allegations are not public or have gone viral...

You missed the point. You have to be 100% clean to be bold.

 

[AZOrange]

Thanks to mistrial, I believe he is currently not declared guilty, no.

It's a pretty important nuance, imo, given what we are going through right now (with Bernie)

 

[orangecuse]

You missed the point. You have to be 100% clean to be bold.

I diplomatically disagree. You do not have to be 100% clean to be bold. Is there such a thing...100% clean? There have been many bold, arrogant, etc. people that I'm certain haven't been clean...cough...Wall Street debacle, etc. Roll the dice if you want and let the chips fall where they may...

 

[tbonezone]

here's my big unanswered question.
how is it that during all those road trips together jb says he never once went to bernie's hotel room?
just seems bizarre to me.

 

[ljmilman]

here's my big unanswered question.
how is it that during all those road trips together jb says he never once went to bernie's hotel room?
just seems bizarre to me.

Clearly you didn't listen to this yesterday:

www.tvider.com/10err

 

[tbonezone]

didn't say it wasn't true. but if indeed it is then yes that is bizarre behavior.

 

[AZOrange]

didn't say it wasn't true. but if indeed it is then yes that is bizarre behavior.

It's JB...i wouldnt expect any less on that front.

 

[rrlbees]

I diplomatically disagree. You do not have to be 100% clean to be bold. Is there such a thing...100% clean? There have been many bold, arrogant, etc. people that I'm certain haven't been clean...cough...Wall Street debacle, etc. Roll the dice if you want and let the chips fall where they may...

You misread that too. What Fla said and I agreed with is that if I was accused of being a child molester and that it was not true, I would go guns ablazing. But you can't go guns ablazing unless you are clean. Not talking about people who go guns ablazing and arent innocent or clean.

 

[orangefan13]

JB also said you play basketball 2-1/2 a day the other 22 are yours to use.

here's my big unanswered question.
how is it that during all those road trips together jb says he never once went to bernie's hotel room?
just seems bizarre to me.

JB also said you play basketball 21/2 hours a day the other 22 are yours to use.

Why would bernie stop doing it on the road if he did it? Espeically if all these years JB and the staff never went to his room??

That would be a stress reliever for bernie, and people get stressed on the road.

 

[moqui]

if I was accused of being a child molester and that it was not true, I would go guns ablazing.

I wouldn't. It would be a stupid move. Let sleeping dogs lie. ONce it becomes public, it's a different matter, but why would you want to plant that seed in anyone's mind yourself? You can't unring that bell. Many will have the association "bees was accused of child molestation . . . let's just keep an extra close eye on him and not let the kids near him." Even if you were dumb enough to do it, your lawyer and probably your wife would be smart enough to stop you.

An acquaintance of mine runs a yoga studio and was accused by a female student of fondling her during adjustments. Her lawyer contacted him, threatened a lawsuit, said they would go to the press, etc.. At that point, though, it was still just between the two of them, but he put up a message on his website forcefully denying the allegations. The threatened lawsuit never materialized, but word was out that he was a molester and his business fell through the floor. He closed earlier this year.

 

[orangefan13]

IAn acquaintance of mine runs a yoga studio and was accused by a female student of fondling her during adjustments. .

Moqui was that in syracuse just curious?

 

[moqui]

Moqui was that in syracuse just curious?

los angeles

 

[orangefan13]

thanks.

 

[Flacusian]

It's a pretty important nuance, imo, given what we are going through right now (with Bernie)

AZ, you make a pertinent point within the context of the timeframe when the allegations first came out. Fast forward to now... at this point there is nothing to lose with respect to trying to maintain a low profile and keep the issue from the general public. The cat is out of the bag so to speak. Why not go after them with both guns drawn now? I'm sure you'll make the point that he is under advisement to not say anything at all BUT, if he is beyond reproach in regard to the current allegations why not go on the offensive if you are clean as a whistle? I'm just sayin. I do however understand your stance and it certainly has some merit. Cheers!

 

[AZOrange]

AZ, you make a pertinent point within the context of the timeframe when the allegations first came out. Fast forward to now... at this point there is nothing to lose with respect to trying to maintain a low profile and keep the issue from the general public. The cat is out of the bag so to speak. Why not go after them with both guns drawn now? I'm sure you'll make the point that he is under advisement to not say anything at all BUT, if he is beyond reproach in regard to the current allegations why not go on the offensive if you are clean as a whistle? I'm just sayin. I do however understand your stance and it certainly has some merit. Cheers!

Who is Bernie going to go after? Davis? For what? Under what theory? Defamation? Seems like an uphill battle.

 

[BlackSquirrels]

here's my big unanswered question.
how is it that during all those road trips together jb says he never once went to bernie's hotel room?
just seems bizarre to me.

Why is that bizarre? I assume college basketball coaches prefer some privacy while enjoying a hotel's adult programming offerings, but to each his own.

 

[moqui]

Who is Bernie going to go after? Davis? For what? Under what theory? Defamation? Seems like an uphill battle.

He could sue Lang,win the family eatery, rename it "Fine's Constantia Cove Diner"
(edit: oh, all right)

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

He could sue Lang,win the family eatery, rename it "Fine's Constantia Cove Diner" and launch an item titled Bernie's Thickburger. They could cover it with a secret in house version of Russian Dressing called Bernie's Special Orange Sauce. The advertising writes itself : "not every young Orange fan can be a Syracuse ball boy, but anyone can come on down to Fines and get a mouthful of Bernie's Thickburger and his tasty Special Sauce."

too soon?

Way, way too soon

 

[jordoo]

I cannot even calculate the number of disturbing questions that have I've noticed going unanswered over the course of my life.

 

[orangecuse]

I wouldn't. It would be a stupid move. Let sleeping dogs lie. ONce it becomes public, it's a different matter, but why would you want to plant that seed in anyone's mind yourself? You can't unring that bell. Many will have the association "bees was accused of child molestation . . . let's just keep an extra close eye on him and not let the kids near him." Even if you were dumb enough to do it, your lawyer and probably your wife would be smart enough to stop you.

An acquaintance of mine runs a yoga studio and was accused by a female student of fondling her during adjustments. Her lawyer contacted him, threatened a lawsuit, said they would go to the press, etc.. At that point, though, it was still just between the two of them, but he put up a message on his website forcefully denying the allegations. The threatened lawsuit never materialized, but word was out that he was a molester and his business fell through the floor. He closed earlier this year.

Completely agree with you...coming out with guns blazing is very dicey, how can you prove your innocence if indeed you are...bold, clean or not? It's a lose/lose proposition, especially if you're a public figure...a total public relations disaster waiting to happen...as I posted earlier in the thread.

 

[Blaster]

You misread that too. What Fla said and I agreed with is that if I was accused of being a child molester and that it was not true, I would go guns ablazing. But you can't go guns ablazing unless you are clean. Not talking about people who go guns ablazing and arent innocent or clean.

I think the part that your not really considering is the court of public opinion is alot different then the court of law. The way i look at it is if all this disapears and there is no case there is a high chance that bernie will not be on the sidelines anymore regardless. The only possible way being aggressive works is if there is enough evidence to put your accusers in prison themselves anything less wont restore your rep. becouse not enough evidence to bring charges doesnt mean you have been found innocent.
Bernies reputation is as high as it could be, he could only go down. If he had went public 9 years ago then we would be doing all these OTL stuff etc... back then and would likely have to have stepped down back then. When your life if based around working with kids and your accused of like the worst crime against children there is ZERO benefit from making it public.
Its like a high school teacher who has been accused of rapping high school girls. You may be innocent but your career is done basically in that field. Its the scarlet letter of public opinion that they carry for life right or wrong its there.

 

[CuseGrad94]

didn't say it wasn't true. but if indeed it is then yes that is bizarre behavior.

While it is bizzare, I can believe it is true. I saw the team the airport in Syracuse a handful of years back and EVERYONE was sitting, waiting for the plane together (assistant coaches, players, managers etc). They all were joking around laughing and an entire block of chairs over was JB reading a book all by himself. I know it is completely different, but I remember at time thinking that is really strange. Not even a coach was near him. When Hop said he was a ghost on the road it made me think of that.