Do Not Be Surprised if Devito Trots Out to Start...

[Cuseregular]

Yep and I’m ok with this. GS did not distance himself to be the unquestioned #1 last night. Put us in a position to win but the situation rages on. Some circumstances will require the superior passer and FSU is one of them and I hope and expect to see tommy in there as it improves our chances.

Plus a little competitive motivation for both qbs is a net positive as long as it doesn’t create locker room dissension. Which it won’t, the kids see what we see, neither has earned to be the unquestioned #1.

When they say that if you play two qbs you really have none, well that’s bs. It means you aren’t going to be a championship team, yes, but doesn’t mean you can’t win a majority of your games.

Thats what I’m hoping for us with this team, and I do think that’s what’s it’s going to take two qbs utilizing their strengths, coaches who see this, hopefully it happens and all comes together.

So I do hope we see some of tommy in there this weekend, and a lot of GS too. Was SO psyched to see GS the starter getting the lions share of minutes and drives this weekend as knew with his skill set he’d put us in a position to win as he did, but that won’t be the case all weekends starting with this one.

 

[MadNY3]

a future game, or replaces an ineffective Shrader. Babers' comments were very clear: The decision to start Shrader had everything to do with the particular situation defined by playing Liberty. Yes, Shrader gets the start next week, but...

Babers is also trying to keep Devito’s head in the game. His comments that Cuse will be chameleon speaks to the likelihood that he will play at significant times this year.

The main issue that will bring is more sloppiness and mistakes, something we are “good” at without a multi-QB approach.

 

[Consigliere]

Like I said last night, we haven't seen the last of #13.

After the 3rd Q TD on our first drive, we had about 25 yards the rest of the game. Teams are going to dare Shrader to beat them with his arm over and over again.

No reason why DeVito can't hand off to Tucker, even run some RPO and maybe keep the D honest defending the pass.

Don't mean to sound so negative after a win, just not sure how often what we saw last night is a winning formula. We were inches from blowing a 2 TD lead and losing. Maybe I just need to adjust to the idea that defense and running the ball alone can win games for this particular SU team, but in today's college football you almost always need more.

It's a shame that Tommy struggles so much with situational awareness and finding 2nd/3rd/4th targets. Because the way the OL played last night, the way Tucker runs, a lot of it could come together.

Of course it is hard to find 3rd and 4th targets when we only have two receivers in the pattern. Hopefully if Tommy does get the chance again we will see more of the empty backfield spread formation looks that we showed last night unless that was just done out of necessity with top two TEs out and Mang struggling a bit.

 

[Consigliere]

Is Tommy banged up? Could be wrong but why did Dino burn a timeout just to keep Shrader in the game after his helmet came off? Why not just let Tommy run a play to save the timeout? That was weird. And it was obvious Liberty was stacking the box to stop the run so why not put Tommy in to at least threaten pass which opens up the run?

I think it was the fact that we were in a third and short and wanted the bigger body at QB to run for the first down. Sent Tommy out initially but with the play call and situation decided to up the odds and use the TO,

 

[gmoney44]

Not going to dig into weights and stuff but from 2017-2021 FSU recruiting has been between 11th-22nd nationally. It may not be the peak of their rankings but it’s something we would do unspeakable things dor

They have lost a fair percentage of their top end talent due to constant coaching turnover. Their previous recruiting rankings aren’t indicative of what’s on the field right now.

 

[orangencpolice]

I am completely fine with both knowing that they may likely get pulled and replaced if they don’t meet the standard. I believe it will only create competition that will hopefully help Syracuse win.

 

[ForCuseSake]

dino won the time management over freeze

Yep. Hugh froze.

 

[Dcuse]

I also thing GS got the start because Tommy is slightly banged up.. no inside info just gut feeling on that one.

Especially with TD not being out originally warming up yesterday.

Nope. He just got beat out...period.

 

[phil77]

If TD starts against FSU and we lose Dino can pack up the house and get ready to move because not only will he lose his job but he will also lose the locker room.

 

[cusefan88]

If TD starts against FSU and we lose Dino can pack up the house and get ready to move because not only will he lose his job but he will also lose the locker room.

He already said Shrader is starting next game but that he wouldn't hesitate to put DeVito should the offense need a change of pace/different look at QB.

 

[sufandu]

If FSU stacks the box and run blitzes like Liberty did the last 20 min Tommy will be in next week by halftime.

some of the best plays Shrader had last night were because the box was so stacked he had to use his size to make those runs.. the box would not be the same with a threat of a pass series after series..

I get what you're saying because FSU should have superior athletes, but do we know that they're as good as Liberty? Liberty was close to being ranked and was good last year. FSU is 0-3, lost to Jacksonville St., and sucked last year.

I'm not sure TD beats a stacked box any better. Maybe he does, but he hasn't really shown consistent evidence of it.

 

[Pyle]

This talk of switching qbs depending on the situation is maddening. This isn’t fantasy football where you just pick guys projected to get the most points. Say we bench GS because we’re struggling. TD comes in, plays better but still loses, then what? There team chemistry to worry about.

The last goddam thing this team needs is QB controversy. It affects practice reps and game planning and game flow and and and. Get the picture? Want to win 3 more? Then GS needs to make this team about him, get max reps in practice and be the leader of the offense.

 

[JustPherU]

This talk of switching qbs depending on the situation is maddening. This isn’t fantasy football where you just pick guys projected to get the most points. Say we bench GS because we’re struggling. TD comes in, plays better but still loses, then what? There team chemistry to worry about.

The last goddam thing this team needs is QB controversy. It affects practice reps and game planning and game flow and and and. Get the picture? Want to win 3 more? Then GS needs to make this team about him, get max reps in practice and be the leader of the offense.

We’ve had a quarterback controversy all year.

 

[Chip]

I think people are going to have to get used to the fact that we have seen the last of Tommy Devito.

So Morgan is the backup now?

Or is everyone assuming that, for the first time in 9 years, we won’t have a QB injury.

 

[FloridaFan]

This talk of switching qbs depending on the situation is maddening. This isn’t fantasy football where you just pick guys projected to get the most points. Say we bench GS because we’re struggling. TD comes in, plays better but still loses, then what? There team chemistry to worry about.

The last goddam thing this team needs is QB controversy. It affects practice reps and game planning and game flow and and and. Get the picture? Want to win 3 more? Then GS needs to make this team about him, get max reps in practice and be the leader of the offense.

So you want the eggs all in one basket strat as if we go whole seasons with just one QB

 

[qdawgg]

I get what you're saying because FSU should have superior athletes, but do we know that they're as good as Liberty? Liberty was close to being ranked and was good last year. FSU is 0-3, lost to Jacksonville St., and sucked last year.

I'm not sure TD beats a stacked box any better. Maybe he does, but he hasn't really shown consistent evidence of it.

It’s just a SU board thing. The next opponent before we play them we adjust how good/bad they are to fit a narrative. Liberty this week was all of a sudden not close to a top 25 team, now that we won they are as good as the polls said they were. Prob would have been a top 10 team had we lost. FSU has the greatest defense of any 0-3 team that’s ever stepped on the field. Far better than the almost top 25 team we just beat.

 

[zjscuse]

I think the big issue is that TD, while capable,, doesn't seem to like to run, which really limits the effectiveness of the RRO. He also would have taken some sacks last night that GS was able to avoid. The pass protect still isn't very good and we saw last night in the 4th how difficult it is when the defense knows Tucker is getting the handoff.
I think we might see TD/GS splitting starts based on the strengths and weaknesses of our weekly opponent.

I’m fine with that

 

[Pyle]

We’ve had a quarterback controversy all year.

Correct and now we head into ACC play so it’s time to end it.

So you want the eggs all in one basket strat as if we go whole seasons with just one QB

I want the coaches to focus on one guy and give him the same number of reps in practice that the opposing qbs get. TD now gets backup reps and we have a clear number 1 who can assert some level of control in the huddle.

 

[FloridaFan]

Correct and now we head into ACC play so it’s time to end it.

I want the coaches to focus on one guy and give him the same number of reps in practice that the opposing qbs get. TD now gets backup reps and we have a clear number 1 who can assert some level of control in the huddle.

I don’t agree. You just want to ride with GS the rest of the year bar injury? I would hope if FSU exposes our run first bad we don’t just keep trotting it out. That’s what people complained about with Devito and now they want the same thing but with a different coat of paint

 

[Pyle]

I don’t agree. You just want to ride with GS the rest of the year bar injury? I would hope if FSU exposes our run first bad we don’t just keep trotting it out. That’s what people complained about with Devito and now they want the same thing but with a different coat of paint

It’s not about TD or GS to me. I’d be saying the same thing if TD were the starter. I don’t believe splitting reps and trying to make two game plans every week is the answer. You start at a disadvantage over teams preparing 1 QB. You create dissention in the locker room, start trying to get cute with whose on the field when, etc.

 

[Chris02M]

its shrader going forward at least until the lack of passing game hurts us.could see a scenario where devito comes in as relief pitcher if were behind late needing to pass exclusively

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So Morgan is the backup now?

Or is everyone assuming that, for the first time in 9 years, we won’t have a QB injury.

Watching the 3 QBs play, Morgan might be the best passing QB. Although he is by far the worst rushing QB. We saw a very small sample size and I am sure his grasp of the O wasn't very high and still may not be very high.

By passing QB I am taking into account more than just throwing. Poise, pocket presence, the ability to move around the pocket, extending plays, and throwing on the run. Taking all of those into account he showed more than the other 2. Tommy just has the throwing down. Shrader has everything but the throwing.

But like I said when it comes to running Morgan is waaaaay behind the other 2. I have no clue about Morgan's ability to learn the O, but performance wise as a passer what he did in limited action looked better than what we have seen from Tommy or Shrader. I would not be surprised if he wins the job next Summer.

 

[sufandu]

It’s not about TD or GS to me. I’d be saying the same thing if TD were the starter. I don’t believe splitting reps and trying to make two game plans every week is the answer. You start at a disadvantage over teams preparing 1 QB. You create dissention in the locker room, start trying to get cute with whose on the field when, etc.

I agree with much of what you say. I think the dissention part comes if the coach plays the guy the players don't think gives them the best chance to win. There may be differing opinions about that on the team right now, we don't know. I would hope the players realize that both of their QBs have major flaws in different aspects of their game to make it a difficult decision. I would think dissention would be more likely if the coach was unwilling to make a change when a player was obviously unproductive.

 

[Pyle]

I agree with much of what you say. I think the dissention part comes if the coach plays the guy the players don't think gives them the best chance to win. There may be differing opinions about that on the team right now, we don't know. I would hope the players realize that both of their QBs have major flaws in different aspects of their game to make it a difficult decision. I would think dissention would be more likely if the coach was unwilling to make a change when a player was obviously unproductive.

I totally get replacing a guy who’s not performing. I just think it should be your last option, not go into a game with the mindset that you need to.

 

[sufandu]

I totally get replacing a guy who’s not performing. I just think it should be your last option, not go into a game with the mindset that you need to.

I think that all depends on your confidence in that player. You can't decide to have confidence, a player's performance has to warrant it. And if you don't have it, you have to be prepared to make the change. You can't do that by arbitrarily picking a guy you don't trust.

If it were me, my week long game prep would be with Shrader. TD has been in the offense long enough that he should be better prepared to come off the bench than the guy that is still learning the offense. I get that the two require different game plans, but TDs style of offense has been what everybody has been practicing since Dino arrived. Reverting back to it mid-game wouldn't be ideal but easier to do than going the other way.