Do we have a trainer problem?

[supp]

I've been a White Sox fan forever. One thing that White Sox fans can generally hang their hats on is the health of their players over the course of the season, which has been the responsibility of Herm Schneider for many years. Lots of managers have come and gone and he's still there. The White Sox are nearly always at the top of the leaderboard for least games lost to injury.

Now, football is a very different game. It's not so much niggling injuries from repetitive stress as it is random violent collisions that you have to be worried about. And with the size and strength of just about every position player on the field increasing on a year to year basis, it's seemingly impossible not to have a catastrophic injury or two every couple of games now. But having said that, we seem to have had more than our fair share in recent years. Is it just bad luck? Is it a failing of the training staff? Does the SU football training staff even have the same responsibilities as a baseball training staff? Anyone have any theories?

 

[Chris02M]

its playing on concrete in a dome

 

[PAcuse]

I remember, it might have been HCSS, at the beginning of this year they where talking about measuring stretching and having a goal for each player and talked more in depth about injury prevention. After 2014 I would believe they have stepped up there injury prevention.

 

[supp]

its playing on concrete in a dome

So it's a 35 year-long problem?

 

[SUFan44]

its playing on concrete in a dome

That doesn't have much to do with it. You think domed teams have more injuries than others? I don't. Part of the game. Dungey getting hurt had nothing to do with playing in a dome.

 

[Chris02M]

So it's a 35 year-long problem?

its a factor with some of the injuries along with the obvious football is a violent sport

 

[Orangello]

There is something wrong here. We seem to have an above average number of injuries every year now. My mind wants to believe we are jinxed but I think there is something wrong with our conditioning and practicing. Last year and now this year ?

 

[Ithacaorange]

Cmu had players going down all over the place - let's look at their injury report this week amd see how it compares

 

[rocklloyd]

Fire will hicks!

 

[OrangeAl]

Would better nutrition and conditioning have helped Dungey avoid the shot to his head?

 

[Whitey23]

Would better nutrition and conditioning have helped Dungey avoid the shot to his head?

 

[SoBeCuse]

Notre Dame has at least 3 key starters injured currently. We just don't have that talent or depth. LSU game could be scary for many reasons.

 

[Geode]

Notre Dame has at least 3 key starters injured currently. We just don't have that talent or depth. LSU game could be scary for many reasons.

Was thinking hat same thing last night and recalling how badly FSU banged us up at their place. Just hoping no one ends up in the hospital this game.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Not likely. We have a depth problem. QB1, 5th year senior, was an under-the-radar recruit from a NYC basketball powerhouse. QB2 a true freshman, appears to have been an under-the-radar recruit from Oregon. We'll have to see about Long, but it looks like SU had 3 consecutive years of non productive QB recruiting. The program simply can't afford that ... at any position.

Marrone's last year, things worked out perfectly. We had an NFL calibre QB being protected by an NFL calibre tackle, throwing to an under the radar, extremely bright and hardworking WR with a very talented, 4-star receiver paired with him. The result, a great bowl win.

Two years ago, several of our opponents were truly snake bitten by injuries. The result, a satisfying bowl win for a not terribly talented team.

The only way we are going to truly compete in the ACC is to stack decent recruiting classes. If every class has a few top talent players who can play anywhere (think Ismail and Franklin) and we can pair them with some strong under-recruited players (think Irv and Samuels), we can begin to truly compete. I think we had some of that with the last recruiting class by adding guys like Strickland, Fredericks and Clark among others. We appear to have that at HB in this year's class with Neal. That's how productive depth is built. The type of depth that can withstand some injuries.

I thought the thread about Moe Neal being a program changing recruit was way overdone. Our chief rivals get guys like Moe Neal pretty much every year. The teams SU is chasing get multiple Moe Neals in every class. SU needs to start bringing in someone of say Irv's character every class (e.g., Irv, Strickland, Neal) and do that across nearly every position, if we are going to be better than PITT, BC, Rutgers and start competing with Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Was thinking hat same thing last night and recalling how badly FSU banged us up at their place. Just hoping no one ends up in the hospital this game.

Exactly.

 

[Ringostar57]

I've been a White Sox fan forever. One thing that White Sox fans can generally hang their hats on is the health of their players over the course of the season, which has been the responsibility of Herm Schneider for many years. Lots of managers have come and gone and he's still there. The White Sox are nearly always at the top of the leaderboard for least games lost to injury.

Now, football is a very different game. It's not so much niggling injuries from repetitive stress as it is random violent collisions that you have to be worried about. And with the size and strength of just about every position player on the field increasing on a year to year basis, it's seemingly impossible not to have a catastrophic injury or two every couple of games now. But having said that, we seem to have had more than our fair share in recent years. Is it just bad luck? Is it a failing of the training staff? Does the SU football training staff even have the same responsibilities as a baseball training staff? Anyone have any theories?

Yes. Seems like we do.

 

[tep624]

Not likely. We have a depth problem. QB1, 5th year senior, was an under-the-radar recruit from a NYC basketball powerhouse. QB2 a true freshman, appears to have been an under-the-radar recruit from Oregon. We'll have to see about Long, but it looks like SU had 3 consecutive years of non productive QB recruiting. The program simply can't afford that ... at any position.

Marrone's last year, things worked out perfectly. We had an NFL calibre QB being protected by an NFL calibre tackle, throwing to an under the radar, extremely bright and hardworking WR with a very talented, 4-star receiver paired with him. The result, a great bowl win.

Two years ago, several of our opponents were truly snake bitten by injuries. The result, a satisfying bowl win for a not terribly talented team.

The only way we are going to truly compete in the ACC is to stack decent recruiting classes. If every class has a few top talent players who can play anywhere (think Ismail and Franklin) and we can pair them with some strong under-recruited players (think Irv and Samuels), we can begin to truly compete. I think we had some of that with the last recruiting class by adding guys like Strickland, Fredericks and Clark among others. We appear to have that at HB in this year's class with Neal. That's how productive depth is built. The type of depth that can withstand some injuries.

I thought the thread about Moe Neal being a program changing recruit was way overdone. Our chief rivals get guys like Moe Neal pretty much every year. The teams SU is chasing get multiple Moe Neals in every class. SU needs to start bringing in someone of say Irv's character every class (e.g., Irv, Strickland, Neal) and do that across nearly every position, if we are going to be better than PITT, BC, Rutgers and start competing with Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame.

The non-productive QB recruiting goes back farther than 3 years. From the time Nassib was handed the reigns in 2010, we haven't recruited a competent QB that actually made it to campus until Dungey. During Marrone's 4 years, the only guy that looks like he may have been on that list is Zach Allen but he never made it here because of the Marrone and his staff leaving so abruptly. And we don't really know what he is capable of because he hasn't played much under center at TCU due to being behind Boykin and it now looks like he's been recruited over anyway there.

Our QB recruiting over the past 12 years is the single biggest reason why the program was in the state it was in over that 12 year period. It's no coincidence that our only period of mild success over that stretch was our 21-17 record with two bowl victories during Nassib's Soph-Senior seasons.

 

[690West]

Do we have a Trainer problem?

Yes. If I hear Lips are Movin one more time I'm gonna lose it.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Not likely. We have a depth problem. QB1, 5th year senior, was an under-the-radar recruit from a NYC basketball powerhouse. QB2 a true freshman, appears to have been an under-the-radar recruit from Oregon. We'll have to see about Long, but it looks like SU had 3 consecutive years of non productive QB recruiting. The program simply can't afford that ... at any position.

Marrone's last year, things worked out perfectly. We had an NFL calibre QB being protected by an NFL calibre tackle, throwing to an under the radar, extremely bright and hardworking WR with a very talented, 4-star receiver paired with him. The result, a great bowl win.

Two years ago, several of our opponents were truly snake bitten by injuries. The result, a satisfying bowl win for a not terribly talented team.

The only way we are going to truly compete in the ACC is to stack decent recruiting classes. If every class has a few top talent players who can play anywhere (think Ismail and Franklin) and we can pair them with some strong under-recruited players (think Irv and Samuels), we can begin to truly compete. I think we had some of that with the last recruiting class by adding guys like Strickland, Fredericks and Clark among others. We appear to have that at HB in this year's class with Neal. That's how productive depth is built. The type of depth that can withstand some injuries.

I thought the thread about Moe Neal being a program changing recruit was way overdone. Our chief rivals get guys like Moe Neal pretty much every year. The teams SU is chasing get multiple Moe Neals in every class. SU needs to start bringing in someone of say Irv's character every class (e.g., Irv, Strickland, Neal) and do that across nearly every position, if we are going to be better than PITT, BC, Rutgers and start competing with Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame.

Erv!!! Erv!!!! Come on people, he's been here for two years! Erv!!!!

 

[Millhouse]

I've been a White Sox fan forever. One thing that White Sox fans can generally hang their hats on is the health of their players over the course of the season, which has been the responsibility of Herm Schneider for many years. Lots of managers have come and gone and he's still there. The White Sox are nearly always at the top of the leaderboard for least games lost to injury.

Now, football is a very different game. It's not so much niggling injuries from repetitive stress as it is random violent collisions that you have to be worried about. And with the size and strength of just about every position player on the field increasing on a year to year basis, it's seemingly impossible not to have a catastrophic injury or two every couple of games now. But having said that, we seem to have had more than our fair share in recent years. Is it just bad luck? Is it a failing of the training staff? Does the SU football training staff even have the same responsibilities as a baseball training staff? Anyone have any theories?

i think we were pretty lucky with injuries for a long stretch and got spoiled.

 

[scottynguyen]

A lot of programs go through this type of stuff. I do think a lot of it is depth. Injuries just get so magnified when you have a thin roster.

Just to provide some perspective .. I'm a UCF grad and UCF has lost it's starting QB for 2-4 weeks with a hand injury, their starting senior center is done playing football with a chronic shoulder injury, their best receiver by a mile just tore his ACL and this has nothing to do with health, but they just dismissed William Stanback from the team today (a name many will remember I'm sure)

 

[cuseguy]

When we've been successful, we rarely had the rash of QB injuries we've had lately.

 

[orangezen]

As to the trainer issue and injuries .. I wonder if its an equipment issue as to which shoes to pick based on the field. I remember several games with players feet sliding and slipping. Also feet catching and players getting ankle ,high ankle and knee injuries.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Erv!!! Erv!!!! Come on people, he's been here for two years! Erv!!!!

What's truly sad is that I was only using "irv" because I had complete blanked on his last name.

 

[orange_in_VA]

What's truly sad is that I was only using "irv" because I had complete blanked on his last name.

Oh Lord