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agreed, why does these coaches make millions if all they do is look pretty on the bench
We’ve been down this path. Autry makes well under the average ACC coach. Likely near the bottom. So maybe we’re just getting what we paid for. And don’t give me the usual well this midmajor or that midmajor coach is doing more for less.

Yea that’s true. Ok then let’s go hire them instead and hope it translates to the ACC. People wil have pitchforks out for them too when they realize that coach is used to winning in a league that doesn’t matter. It’s not as easy as people make it.
 
We’ve been down this path. Autry makes well under the average ACC coach. Likely near the bottom. So maybe we’re just getting what we paid for. And don’t give me the usual well this midmajor or that midmajor coach is doing more for less.

Yea that’s true. Ok then let’s go hire them instead and hope it translates to the ACC. People wil have pitchforks out for them too when they realize that coach is used to winning in a league that doesn’t matter. It’s not as easy as people make it.
According to the link below, he's not all that far off from ACC coaches, some coaches paid around him are doing far better than him (perhaps he is over paid). He is probably making over $2M in base (was 1.8M for 10Months in 2023 according to the board) so thats around Pat Kesely, Hamilton, Scheyer, and Sanchez. I wouldnt exactly say he is underpaid and there are people who have had significant success around him.

In short, money isnt the issue.

 
Correct. No chancellor hired here is going to willfully torpedo any chance we have at being good at athletics. It’s part of the job.
Syverud is going to be 70 next October. Does the school already have a shortlist of candidates to replace him? Is it just the BOT or will the faculty and students also have seats at the table.
 
According to the link below, he's not all that far off from ACC coaches, some coaches paid around him are doing far better than him (perhaps he is over paid). He is probably making over $2M in base (was 1.8M for 10Months in 2023 according to the board) so thats around Pat Kesely, Hamilton, Scheyer, and Sanchez. I wouldnt exactly say he is underpaid and there are people who have had significant success around him.

In short, money isnt the issue.

Ooph if you didn’t even time to click the link next to Scheyers name. He’s not the 66th paid coach in the ncaa. That was the # he was “partially” paid in 2022. Come on guy. Be better.
 
According to the link below, he's not all that far off from ACC coaches, some coaches paid around him are doing far better than him (perhaps he is over paid). He is probably making over $2M in base (was 1.8M for 10Months in 2023 according to the board) so thats around Pat Kesely, Hamilton, Scheyer, and Sanchez. I wouldnt exactly say he is underpaid and there are people who have had significant success around him.

In short, money isnt the issue.

But, money is potentially an issue, especially for names that 3/4 of this forum wants. Cuse needs to put a package together that makes it compelling for someone to come coach here. The name alone is not good enough.
 
But, money is potentially an issue, especially for names that 3/4 of this forum wants. Cuse needs to put a package together that makes it compelling for someone to come coach here. The name alone is not good enough.
If it happens it will be a proven winner at the MM level that 75% of the forum will complain about because it isn't Nate Oats, Jay Wright or Gmac. Just like Louisville hired.
 
We’ve been down this path. Autry makes well under the average ACC coach. Likely near the bottom. So maybe we’re just getting what we paid for. And don’t give me the usual well this midmajor or that midmajor coach is doing more for less.

Yea that’s true. Ok then let’s go hire them instead and hope it translates to the ACC. People wil have pitchforks out for them too when they realize that coach is used to winning in a league that doesn’t matter. It’s not as easy as people make it.
The midmajor coach is doing more for less. I would take any a10 coach over Red. We took a shot with an IN HOUSE asst and it did not work out. Not like we went and got some up and coming asst everyone wanted. You wouldn’t take Anthony Grant over Red Autry? Dayton has their least talented roster in forever this yr and they beat Georgetown, won at Marquette and took BYU to the last minute. Every VCU hire seems to work out. These guys actually coach. Red has shown he is a pretty good recruiter, I won’t take that from him. But coaching, he has to be at the bottom tier of division 1. Clapping during m2m defense isn’t coaching.
 
I also love the line of thinking that essentially says the coach really doesn’t do anything, it’s all about the players executing (this is obviously an exaggeration but also sure, players are more important) but also says well obviously you can’t fire the coach!

If all that really matters is the players then why is it so important to keep the coach??
bc "fmily values", "keeping up appearances", etc being "fair"

red is a good recruiter and likable guy...but doesnt seem to be able to make that pay off in W-L
 
Ooph if you didn’t even time to click the link next to Scheyers name. He’s not the 66th paid coach in the ncaa. That was the # he was “partially” paid in 2022. Come on guy. Be better.
So that’s one difference? What’s the excuse for everyone else?

Also, if 1.7 was his pay from April to December then he’s was only making like 2.5 max, not a whole hell of a lot more (in the grand scheme of things) than autry would’ve made his first year.
 
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But, money is potentially an issue, especially for names that 3/4 of this forum wants. Cuse needs to put a package together that makes it compelling for someone to come coach here. The name alone is not good enough.
I mean sure then weather is potentially an issue, the dome is potentially an issue, the color of the jerseys is potentially an issue. At the end of the day there are good coaches making the same to a relatively small amount more in terms of salary and performing. Syracuse is not the little sisters of the poor.
 
My disappointment is with Nait George. He doesn’t seem to be the playmaker we thought he was. He’s definitely talented but he seems to defer way too much. We need a leader at point guard to call plays, have much less iso and more control from the point guard position to create opportunities with the talent surrounding him. I don’t know whether it’s chemistry or some defiance within his teammate’s games. I was really looking forward to his ability to be a playmaker, creator but he seems stymied in his role here unfortunately. Hoping to see some development and improvement in showing his talent with this group. Also Freeman is a huge loss. LGO!
Agree. That's one of my frustrations as well. We need a PG that can score, especially in crunch time, and can hit the big shots. Houston game perfect example. He needed to take that shot!
 
I mean sure then weather is potentially an issue, the dome is potentially an issue, the color of the jerseys is potentially an issue. At the end of the day there are good coaches making the same to a relatively small amount more in terms of salary and performing. Syracuse is not the little sisters of the poor.
We are kind of saying the same thing. Why would a coach making the same amount of money come here. There has to be a compelling reason. Obviously, a mid major who would get a big bump and a big stage, that makes sense. But does a successful mid major guarantee success at a power conference. Don't know, but I have a feeling we will find out.
 
We are kind of saying the same thing. Why would a coach making the same amount of money come here. There has to be a compelling reason. Obviously, a mid major who would get a big bump and a big stage, that makes sense. But does a successful mid major guarantee success at a power conference. Don't know, but I have a feeling we will find out.
what draws coaches anywhere? Why would someone want to go to Gonzaga, or Virginia, or Villanova. many times it is, is the job available?
 
I get it, You, like some others, donn think Autry can coach. He won 20 games his first year coming off the end of the Boeheim era. Last year he was handed a weak roster due to limited NIL funds and coached half of the year without his heralded freshman. We’ll never know what would have happened in Vegas if Freeman was healthy. So I can’t judge Red until I see him play with a full deck. Folks who think he won’t be back next year if SU misses the tourney (likely at this point) are sadly mistaken.

This is all fair to say. The same thing applied to Fran Brown, losing his best player after a 3-1 start, including a win at Clemson.

But just like the football team just fell apart after losing that one guy, I just hope we doh't see the same thing with the basketball team. Because there are a lot of talented players still on this team.
 
I'm not an insider, but this could come down to a Syverud and BOT decision. And what I mean, is that is Syracuse University ever going to commit SEC type money to run real Top 25 programs.

Look how much these football factories are not only paying their new hire coaches, but also how many tens of millions they are on the hook for to make their coaches they are firing go away. Basketball money is not football money, but I'm sure the SEC is paying probably double or triple or more of what Red is making. Or what the next Cuse head coach will make.

Is there anyone on this forum that believes that Cuse can get back to the glory days with what they are willing to pay head coaches and assistant coaches?

NIL money is a totally different animal, and yes you have to bring in the Dawgs, but all I ever read about is how the assistant coaches for hoops, football, lacrosse, etc.are terrible. It changes with the season, but their heads are on the chopping block all the time.

Lunardi has seven ACC schools dancing in his latest bracketology. How hard is it to be one of those seven schools?

Sorry, but they committed enough money to have a very good team THIS YEAR.

Either they step up and start winning games, or Red's gone. He's a very nice guy.

Let's see if his guys have enough pride to win without Donnie for the next few weeks, and help your coach keep his damn job.
 
The midmajor coach is doing more for less. I would take any a10 coach over Red. We took a shot with an IN HOUSE asst and it did not work out. Not like we went and got some up and coming asst everyone wanted. You wouldn’t take Anthony Grant over Red Autry? Dayton has their least talented roster in forever this yr and they beat Georgetown, won at Marquette and took BYU to the last minute. Every VCU hire seems to work out. These guys actually coach. Red has shown he is a pretty good recruiter, I won’t take that from him. But coaching, he has to be at the bottom tier of division 1. Clapping during m2m defense isn’t coaching.
I hear you and I agree. Go argue it out in the other thread with people that want to pay for a real proven coach with P5 experience.

No one is going to be happy.
 
We’ve been down this path. Autry makes well under the average ACC coach. Likely near the bottom. So maybe we’re just getting what we paid for. And don’t give me the usual well this midmajor or that midmajor coach is doing more for less.

Yea that’s true. Ok then let’s go hire them instead and hope it translates to the ACC. People wil have pitchforks out for them too when they realize that coach is used to winning in a league that doesn’t matter. It’s not as easy as people make it.

It seems to me that some fans want to have it both ways. Last year we were hearing that Red had a 5 year guaranteed contract at $3M/year, and the buy-out would be too expensive to fire him.

Now, we've learned since then that he's paid between $2-3M and it's likely not 5 guaranteed years. They have the money. It's whether they choose to spend it, or keep doing things on the cheap. Plummeting attendance should force their hand.
 
Ahh the Lamentations have begun.

Nothing better than a good "airing of grievances".
It IS Festivus season, after all.. is it not?

Frank Costanza Seinfeld GIF by MOODMAN
 
bc "fmily values", "keeping up appearances", etc being "fair"

red is a good recruiter and likable guy...but doesnt seem to be able to make that pay off in W-L

Kenny Payne also fits that description.
 

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