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LeMoyne and FS were exhibition games, the cupcakes almost everyone in D1 at our level plays at the start of the season. One thing JB is adamant about is that, and I am quoting him, - “It takes a year for an incoming freshman to get used to playing at this level”. At the time of that statement, we were still in the Big East. Most of the time this has proven to be accurate except for an elite caliber player like Carmelo Anthony who was NBA ready after his freshman year. Specifically what I am referencing here is PPG.
The starting five may include freshmen and once we move into the regular season we’ll see quickly at the Battle 4 Atlantis on November 25 how good our younger players are. Hopefully they’ll do well. However, if JB’s opinion is true players you would believe to be *close but not really at the same level as Anthony have to adjust to this level in some way(s). If we end up surprised by someone young all the better. The following is an example of players who were *close but still needed to get their shooting and game established as freshmen. At these players level we’re talking an average of just a few PPG but perhaps still proves JB’s formula correct. Players not of the same caliber as the following take more time.
Note: I picked these players at random out of the air – no pre planning. So, it is what it is. Most of these players stayed four years so there is more playing time to examine either their ascent or descent. Points of interest are added for each player.
*Dave Bing, out of Washington, D.C. Spingarn H.S. 6’2’ 180. ’62-63 freshman team 25.7 PPG. ’63-’64 sophomore - varsity 25.5 PPG. ’64-’65 junior 23.6 PPG. 65-66 senior 28.4PPG. (still stands as the record at SU). >> Ernie Davis convinced Dave to come to SU. With Dave to build around took team from 8-13 to 22-6 NCAA contender. HOF ’80, 12 seasons NBA 20.3 PPG. First round second pick by Detroit. ROY - first guard to do it in 20 years beating out Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor. 7 time NBA All Star, #21 retired, #22 first # retired at SU. More people came to see him lead the freshman team than the varsity. I was one of them. Amazing rebounder as well. Had hops that put him above the rim and a stroke that was silky smooth. <<
*Roosevelt Bouie, out of Kendall N.Y. 6’11 235 ’76-77 10.9 PPG, ‘77-’78 10.5 PPG ‘78-’79 15.2 PPG ’80-’81 16.1 PPG >> One of the first recruits of JB and one of the most dominating centers in Syracuse history, he would combine with classmate Louis Orr to form the Louie and Bouie show and produce a four year record of 100 -18. He was the 34th pick in the 1980 draft by the Dallas Mavericks. When contract negotiations failed he went to Italy and played for thirteen seasons where he is considered a legend. He was named to the Syracuse All Century team in 2000, A Syracuse Letterwinner of distinction in 2006 and had his # retired in 2015. <<
*Louis Orr, out of Cincinnati OH. 6’8 175 ’76-’77 9.4 PPG, 6.5 RPG, ’77-’78 12.8 PPG.,7.8 RPG, ’78-’79 13.2 PPG., 7.7 RPG., ’79–’80 16.0 PPG., 8.5 RPG >> The first recruit of JB. The other half of the Louie and Bouie show. He and Bouie complimented each other scoring inside and rebounding. A master of the fast break he ran the court with ease. Earning All - American honors his senior year, First team Big East, he was drafted 28th in the 1980 draft by the Indiana Pacers. He had eight solid seasons then began a coaching career that would lead among other teams to Syracuse and eventually to Seton Hall where he was named Big East Coach of the Year in 2002. He was named a Vic Hanson Medal of Excellence Winner in 1990, to the Syracuse University All Century team in 2000, a Syracuse Letterwinner of Distinction in 2006 and had his # retired in 2015.<<
*Pearl Washington, out of Brooklyn, N.Y. Boys and Girls H.S. 6’3” 190. ’83-84 14.4 PPG, 6.2, APG ’84-’85 15.2 PPG, 6.1 APG, ’85-86 17.3 PPG., 7.8 APG > Playground style of play. Most sought after recruit in country before committing to SU. The most important recruit SU ever in SU history in terms of attracting fans to the Dome to watch his incredible play and helping to recruit players who combined to form the dynamic SU teams followed him to SU in the 80’s. >> Big East ROY, First Team All Big East all 3 years, First Team AA junior year. Announced he would forego his senior season the first player under JB to do so. Drafted 13th first round by the Nets. His style of play and lack of speed did not fit well with the fast paced athletic style at the time and played three years before ending his career.
*Sherman Douglas, out of Washington D.C. Spingarn 6’0’ 165. ’85-86 5.4 PPG. 2.1 APG, ’86–’87 17.3 PPG, 7.6 APG ’87-’88 16.1 PPG., 8.2 APG ’88-’89 18.2 PPG., 8.6 APG >> “The General” SU his only D1 offer. Mentored by Pearl. Ultimate floor leader. Led SU to its best three year run in school history. Ran the fast break as well as anyone in the country – trademark alley – oop pass to sky-walker Stevie Thompson, Seikaly or Coleman for many slams. Led the team to the championship game in the NCAA tournament in which he was the high scorer. Set an SU 22 APG record vs Providence in January ’89. Drafted in the second round by the Miami Heat. His second season was his best averaging 18.5 PPG and 8.5 APG using his alley-oop pass with success in the NBA. Twelve years in the NBA. Led his team to the playoffs in ’92, ’93, ’95 and ’98. His #20 was retired in 2005 and he was named to the SU All Century Team in 2000.
*Derrick Coleman, out of Detroit, Northern H.S. 6’10” 225 ’86-’87 11.9 PPG., 8.8 RPG, ‘87-‘88 13.5 PPG., 11.0 RPG,’88-’89 16.9 PPG., 11.4 RPG, ‘89-’90 17.9 PPG 12.1 RPG >> mentored by Dave. One of the best rebounders, Derrick pulled down more rebounds than any other player in modern day history. Big East ROY. In the NCAA Championship game pulled down 19 rebounds. As a senior named Big East Player of the Year and first team All - American. In 1990 he was the #1 pick of the Nets. NBA ROY 15 year NBA career. Named to the Big East Conference 25th Anniversary First Team in 2004, The Syracuse All Century team in 2000 and had his # retired in 2006
*John Wallace, out of Rochester, N.Y. Greece-Athena H.S. 6’8” 225 ’92-’93 11.1 PPG., 7.6 RPG, ’93-’94 15.9 PPG., 9.0 RPG ’94-’95 16.8 PPG., 8.2 RPG ’95-96 22.2 PPG., 8.7 RPG >> N.Y.state POY, Started first game as a freshman and every game after that. As a senior led team in scoring named First Team All Big East as a junior and senior and dominated play in the NCAA tournament reaching the Championship Game scoring 29 points and 10 rebounds. Named to all - tournament team. 18th pick in the NBA Draft by the N.Y.Knicks. Played seven years in the NBA before playing for the Italian league in Europe. Selected to the Syracuse All Century Team in 2000.
Carmelo Anthony, out of Towson Catholic H.S. Towson MD and Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Va. 2002- 2003 22.2 PPG, 10 RPG first National Championship. Consummate player in every facet of the game. The team gelled around him but played as a cohesive unit. Anthony led the team in scoring and rebounding was Big East Player of the Year, Big East Rookie of the Year, First Team All-American and National Championship MVP. He was selected third by the Denver Nuggets and took them from the worst team in the league to a playoff the first year with them. His average PPG 2014 – 2015 is 25.2 with 6.6 RPG. His best scoring so far was 2006 – 2007 with 28.9 PPG. Led the league in scoring average in 2012-2013 with 28.7 PPG. Went to the Knicks in 2010 – 2011 mid – season.
The starting five may include freshmen and once we move into the regular season we’ll see quickly at the Battle 4 Atlantis on November 25 how good our younger players are. Hopefully they’ll do well. However, if JB’s opinion is true players you would believe to be *close but not really at the same level as Anthony have to adjust to this level in some way(s). If we end up surprised by someone young all the better. The following is an example of players who were *close but still needed to get their shooting and game established as freshmen. At these players level we’re talking an average of just a few PPG but perhaps still proves JB’s formula correct. Players not of the same caliber as the following take more time.
Note: I picked these players at random out of the air – no pre planning. So, it is what it is. Most of these players stayed four years so there is more playing time to examine either their ascent or descent. Points of interest are added for each player.
*Dave Bing, out of Washington, D.C. Spingarn H.S. 6’2’ 180. ’62-63 freshman team 25.7 PPG. ’63-’64 sophomore - varsity 25.5 PPG. ’64-’65 junior 23.6 PPG. 65-66 senior 28.4PPG. (still stands as the record at SU). >> Ernie Davis convinced Dave to come to SU. With Dave to build around took team from 8-13 to 22-6 NCAA contender. HOF ’80, 12 seasons NBA 20.3 PPG. First round second pick by Detroit. ROY - first guard to do it in 20 years beating out Wilt Chamberlain and Elgin Baylor. 7 time NBA All Star, #21 retired, #22 first # retired at SU. More people came to see him lead the freshman team than the varsity. I was one of them. Amazing rebounder as well. Had hops that put him above the rim and a stroke that was silky smooth. <<
*Roosevelt Bouie, out of Kendall N.Y. 6’11 235 ’76-77 10.9 PPG, ‘77-’78 10.5 PPG ‘78-’79 15.2 PPG ’80-’81 16.1 PPG >> One of the first recruits of JB and one of the most dominating centers in Syracuse history, he would combine with classmate Louis Orr to form the Louie and Bouie show and produce a four year record of 100 -18. He was the 34th pick in the 1980 draft by the Dallas Mavericks. When contract negotiations failed he went to Italy and played for thirteen seasons where he is considered a legend. He was named to the Syracuse All Century team in 2000, A Syracuse Letterwinner of distinction in 2006 and had his # retired in 2015. <<
*Louis Orr, out of Cincinnati OH. 6’8 175 ’76-’77 9.4 PPG, 6.5 RPG, ’77-’78 12.8 PPG.,7.8 RPG, ’78-’79 13.2 PPG., 7.7 RPG., ’79–’80 16.0 PPG., 8.5 RPG >> The first recruit of JB. The other half of the Louie and Bouie show. He and Bouie complimented each other scoring inside and rebounding. A master of the fast break he ran the court with ease. Earning All - American honors his senior year, First team Big East, he was drafted 28th in the 1980 draft by the Indiana Pacers. He had eight solid seasons then began a coaching career that would lead among other teams to Syracuse and eventually to Seton Hall where he was named Big East Coach of the Year in 2002. He was named a Vic Hanson Medal of Excellence Winner in 1990, to the Syracuse University All Century team in 2000, a Syracuse Letterwinner of Distinction in 2006 and had his # retired in 2015.<<
*Pearl Washington, out of Brooklyn, N.Y. Boys and Girls H.S. 6’3” 190. ’83-84 14.4 PPG, 6.2, APG ’84-’85 15.2 PPG, 6.1 APG, ’85-86 17.3 PPG., 7.8 APG > Playground style of play. Most sought after recruit in country before committing to SU. The most important recruit SU ever in SU history in terms of attracting fans to the Dome to watch his incredible play and helping to recruit players who combined to form the dynamic SU teams followed him to SU in the 80’s. >> Big East ROY, First Team All Big East all 3 years, First Team AA junior year. Announced he would forego his senior season the first player under JB to do so. Drafted 13th first round by the Nets. His style of play and lack of speed did not fit well with the fast paced athletic style at the time and played three years before ending his career.
*Sherman Douglas, out of Washington D.C. Spingarn 6’0’ 165. ’85-86 5.4 PPG. 2.1 APG, ’86–’87 17.3 PPG, 7.6 APG ’87-’88 16.1 PPG., 8.2 APG ’88-’89 18.2 PPG., 8.6 APG >> “The General” SU his only D1 offer. Mentored by Pearl. Ultimate floor leader. Led SU to its best three year run in school history. Ran the fast break as well as anyone in the country – trademark alley – oop pass to sky-walker Stevie Thompson, Seikaly or Coleman for many slams. Led the team to the championship game in the NCAA tournament in which he was the high scorer. Set an SU 22 APG record vs Providence in January ’89. Drafted in the second round by the Miami Heat. His second season was his best averaging 18.5 PPG and 8.5 APG using his alley-oop pass with success in the NBA. Twelve years in the NBA. Led his team to the playoffs in ’92, ’93, ’95 and ’98. His #20 was retired in 2005 and he was named to the SU All Century Team in 2000.
*Derrick Coleman, out of Detroit, Northern H.S. 6’10” 225 ’86-’87 11.9 PPG., 8.8 RPG, ‘87-‘88 13.5 PPG., 11.0 RPG,’88-’89 16.9 PPG., 11.4 RPG, ‘89-’90 17.9 PPG 12.1 RPG >> mentored by Dave. One of the best rebounders, Derrick pulled down more rebounds than any other player in modern day history. Big East ROY. In the NCAA Championship game pulled down 19 rebounds. As a senior named Big East Player of the Year and first team All - American. In 1990 he was the #1 pick of the Nets. NBA ROY 15 year NBA career. Named to the Big East Conference 25th Anniversary First Team in 2004, The Syracuse All Century team in 2000 and had his # retired in 2006
*John Wallace, out of Rochester, N.Y. Greece-Athena H.S. 6’8” 225 ’92-’93 11.1 PPG., 7.6 RPG, ’93-’94 15.9 PPG., 9.0 RPG ’94-’95 16.8 PPG., 8.2 RPG ’95-96 22.2 PPG., 8.7 RPG >> N.Y.state POY, Started first game as a freshman and every game after that. As a senior led team in scoring named First Team All Big East as a junior and senior and dominated play in the NCAA tournament reaching the Championship Game scoring 29 points and 10 rebounds. Named to all - tournament team. 18th pick in the NBA Draft by the N.Y.Knicks. Played seven years in the NBA before playing for the Italian league in Europe. Selected to the Syracuse All Century Team in 2000.
Carmelo Anthony, out of Towson Catholic H.S. Towson MD and Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Va. 2002- 2003 22.2 PPG, 10 RPG first National Championship. Consummate player in every facet of the game. The team gelled around him but played as a cohesive unit. Anthony led the team in scoring and rebounding was Big East Player of the Year, Big East Rookie of the Year, First Team All-American and National Championship MVP. He was selected third by the Denver Nuggets and took them from the worst team in the league to a playoff the first year with them. His average PPG 2014 – 2015 is 25.2 with 6.6 RPG. His best scoring so far was 2006 – 2007 with 28.9 PPG. Led the league in scoring average in 2012-2013 with 28.7 PPG. Went to the Knicks in 2010 – 2011 mid – season.
