Dr. Tucker

[CuseOnly]

Be assured an expert(s) is doing the heavy lift of real evaluation.

But Tucker makes the final call at the end of the day. So if the team he uses decides a player is fit to play and should be cleared based on their evaluation, Tucker can still say no is how I understand it.

Sounds like the University trusts him to cover their ass and not evaluate like other schools based on facts and diagnosis. Why else have someone other than a neurologist front and center making the call.

Why not have 2 or 3 doctors.

Neurologist will make the call on concussion and head/brain related injuries.
Tucker for everything else.

On top of that, why so secretive on who this guy is up until now?? Why wont he give an interview or return calls.

 

[Ish88888]

But Tucker makes the final call at the end of the day. So if the team he uses decides a player is fit to play and should be cleared based on their evaluation, Tucker can still say no is how I understand it.

Sounds like the University trusts him to cover their ass and not evaluate like other schools based on facts and diagnosis. Why else have someone other than a neurologist front and center making the call.

Why not have 2 or 3 doctors.

Neurologist will make the call on concussion and head/brain related injuries.
Tucker for everything else.

On top of that, why so secretive on who this guy is up until now?? Why wont he give an interview or return calls.

Amen. the secrecy is why we are discussing. its also the American way to just bow and trust anyone with MD after their name. As previously stated , i work in healthcare, in the physical rehab world. it's ok with question a doc and challenge their workup and process. my hometown hs team doesn't have a primary physician at our fb games. we have atc, an orthopedic doc, and just over the past 3 years a neurologist on consult since the head injury witch hunt started. this is no knock in anyway on this mans qualifications or character, but for big time athletics , i dont see the fit. sports med, neuro, ortho needs to be involved. a team making collective calls on kids' eligibility .

 

[bnoro]

But Tucker makes the final call at the end of the day. So if the team he uses decides a player is fit to play and should be cleared based on their evaluation, Tucker can still say no is how I understand it.

Sounds like the University trusts him to cover their ass and not evaluate like other schools based on facts and diagnosis. Why else have someone other than a neurologist front and center making the call.

Why not have 2 or 3 doctors.

Neurologist will make the call on concussion and head/brain related injuries.
Tucker for everything else.

On top of that, why so secretive on who this guy is up until now?? Why wont he give an interview or return calls.

This conspiracy you've concocted is insane.

How do you know we don't have 2 or 3 doctors?

And the doctor isn't going to give an interview where he could violate HIPAA laws.

 

[rrlbees]

But Tucker makes the final call at the end of the day. So if the team he uses decides a player is fit to play and should be cleared based on their evaluation, Tucker can still say no is how I understand it. Sounds like the University trusts him to cover their ass and not evaluate like other schools based on facts and diagnosis. Why else have someone other than a neurologist front and center making the call. Why not have 2 or 3 doctors. Neurologist will make the call on concussion and head/brain related injuries. Tucker for everything else. On top of that, why so secretive on who this guy is up until now?? Why wont he give an interview or return calls.

You're assuming he is too stupid to listen to neuros expert in the field.

 

[rrlbees]

Amen. the secrecy is why we are discussing. its also the American way to just bow and trust anyone with MD after their name. As previously stated , i work in healthcare, in the physical rehab world. it's ok with question a doc and challenge their workup and process. my hometown hs team doesn't have a primary physician at our fb games. we have atc, an orthopedic doc, and just over the past 3 years a neurologist on consult since the head injury witch hunt started. this is no knock in anyway on this mans qualifications or character, but for big time athletics , i dont see the fit. sports med, neuro, ortho needs to be involved. a team making collective calls on kids' eligibility .

Secrecy? Everyone except dungey is bound by law to keep it secret.

 

[CuseOnly]

This conspiracy you've concocted is insane.

How do you know we don't have 2 or 3 doctors?

And the doctor isn't going to give an interview where he could violate HIPAA laws.

Why an insane conspiracy theory...seems awfully cagey on the part of SU if you ask me.

Knowing that this is a hot-button issue in almost every sport, head the media off at the pass and leave no doubt in the players, public or media's mind that you are doing the right thing. Instead they put out a family physician with specialties in Ob Gyn and don't even say who his crack team of doctors is comprised of?

Why don't they publicly employ a Neurologist and say " We have a phenomenal Neurologist Dr Doubledecker who is world renowned in the area of concussion, brain injury, etc...he and Dr. Tucker will be making the call on all DQ's and injuries regarding concussions."

Also, Dr. Tucker can give an interview about his philosophies on DQ'ing a player, brain injury, any other injury without violating anything. He can discuss his background, concussions, why/how an Ob/Gyn became the team physician for Syracuse University.

 

[CuseOnly]

You're assuming he is too stupid to listen to neuros expert in the field.

Where in my post did I question anyone's intelligence?

I questioned how a Family Physician makes the final call instead of the neurologist.

He shouldn't be able to over-ride the neurologist in any way shape or form with regard to concussion or head injury. Not saying he doesn't listen but, point being he shouldn't even be consulted in the area, the neurologist should be able to over-ride his decision is my point.

Example - AJ long, Tucker said no, a Neurologist said yes after he left and he is playing today, just not for SU. How many other players could have been cleared to play by a Neurologist? Possibly all of them.

I would be willing to bet that since Marrone we are in the top 5 of teams with most concussion related DQ's if not #1. And it isn't because the players all aren't fit to play, it's because of the doctor in charge.

 

[bnoro]

Why an insane conspiracy theory...seems awfully cagey on the part of SU if you ask me.

Knowing that this is a hot-button issue in almost every sport, head the media off at the pass and leave no doubt in the players, public or media's mind that you are doing the right thing. Instead they put out a family physician with specialties in Ob Gyn and don't even say who his crack team of doctors is comprised of?

Why don't they publicly employ a Neurologist and say " We have a phenomenal Neurologist Dr Doubledecker who is world renowned in the area of concussion, brain injury, etc...he and Dr. Tucker will be making the call on all DQ's and injuries regarding concussions."

Also, Dr. Tucker can give an interview about his philosophies on DQ'ing a player, brain injury, any other injury without violating anything. He can discuss his background, concussions, why/how an Ob/Gyn became the team physician for Syracuse University.

BECAUSE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY.

They don't have to tell you anything at all. It's not your prerogative to know.

 

[CuseOnly]

BECAUSE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY.

They don't have to tell you anything at all. It's not your prerogative to know.

No Shlit Sherlock...but unfortunately for them, we the people pay the bills and buy the tickets to support their private sports teams that rely on public money to survive. As long as I am paying money for tickets, beer, parking and watching on TV to give them ratings.

Maybe they should privately fill their own stands and privately they can bitch about dropping attendance.

 

[rrlbees]

Where in my post did I question anyone's intelligence? I questioned how a Family Physician makes the final call instead of the neurologist. He shouldn't be able to over-ride the neurologist in any way shape or form with regard to concussion or head injury. Not saying he doesn't listen but, point being he shouldn't even be consulted in the area, the neurologist should be able to over-ride his decision is my point. Example - AJ long, Tucker said no, a Neurologist said yes after he left and he is playing today, just not for SU. How many other players could have been cleared to play by a Neurologist? Possibly all of them. I would be willing to bet that since Marrone we are in the top 5 of teams with most concussion related DQ's if not #1. And it isn't because the players all aren't fit to play, it's because of the doctor in charge.

You're wrong. Just know that.

 

[bnoro]

No Shlit Sherlock...but unfortunately for them, we the people pay the bills and buy the tickets to support their private sports teams that rely on public money to survive. As long as I am paying money for tickets, beer, parking and watching on TV to give them ratings.

Maybe they should privately fill their own stands and privately they can bitch about dropping attendance.

Me knowing who the doctor is or isn't doesn't make any difference to my fandom of the team. I'm not a doctor and I'm not involved in our medical department so I'll assume that the DOCTOR knows his trade pretty well. Presumably, you are not a doctor, and therefore, aren't qualified to speak on this subject any further.

 

[TheCusian]

No Shlit Sherlock...but unfortunately for them, we the people pay the bills and buy the tickets to support their private sports teams that rely on public money to survive. As long as I am paying money for tickets, beer, parking and watching on TV to give them ratings.

Maybe they should privately fill their own stands and privately they can bitch about dropping attendance.

Yikes.

Why would disclosure of the details of someone's private health information impact your attendance and support?

 

[CuseOnly]

You're wrong. Just know that.

What is it that I am wrong about from my post exactly?

Was it that a Neurologist should have the final call on a head injury or concussion?

Was I wrong that a neurologist cleared AJ to play after Tucker told him no?

Was it that since Marrone that we possibly had the most concussion DQ's in D1 football, at least top 5?

 

[CuseOnly]

Yikes.

Why would disclosure of the details of someone's private health information impact your attendance and support?

I am not asking for anyone's personal info, show me where I did.

I never said it had anything to do with my support, I think that the University should be less secretive about the process and who (DOCTORS) are involved. What about that is bad and what about that is disclosing any personal info???

Did you even read my post?? Did anyone read the actual post??

 

[CuseOnly]

BECAUSE SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY.

They don't have to tell you anything at all. It's not your prerogative to know.

You can't have it both ways and say SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, it's not your prerogative to know anything adn we don't have to tell you anything...but please buy tickets and spend your hard earned money on our program.

People tend to get pissed at stuff like that. Keep in mind that people on this board are still pissed about what Jake said 20 years ago.

 

[bnoro]

What is it that I am wrong about from my post exactly?

Was it that a Neurologist should have the final call on a head injury or concussion?

Was I wrong that a neurologist cleared AJ to play after Tucker told him no?

Was it that since Marrone that we possibly had the most concussion DQ's in D1 football, at least top 5?

How do you know a Neurologist doesn't have the final call?

Also, you think an independent neurologist found by AJ's family wasn't going to clear him (when it's in his best interest to clear him)?

 

[bnoro]

You can't have it both ways and say SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY IS A PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, it's not your prerogative to know anything adn we don't have to tell you anything...but please buy tickets and spend your hard earned money on our program.

People tend to get pissed at stuff like that. Keep in mind that people on this board are still pissed about what Jake said 20 years ago.

I have reasoning skills so generally I don't get upset when information is withheld for the best interest of the program. I'd support the team even if I didn't know our roster because it wasn't posted since I'm an alumnus of the university.

 

[CuseOnly]

I have reasoning skills so generally I don't get upset when information is withheld for the best interest of the program. I'd support the team even if I didn't know our roster because it wasn't posted since I'm an alumnus of the university.

Well, I am not and am still a fan because I live here. I would hazard a guess that about 70% or more of the people that fill the Dome on Saturdays are not alums. Would be a lonely Dome if only alums showed up.

 

[Ish88888]

How do you know a Neurologist doesn't have the final call?

Also, you think an independent neurologist found by AJ's family wasn't going to clear him (when it's in his best interest to clear him)?

Bc the article stated that this family doctor that checks tonsils and gives flu shots, has the final say.

 

[rrlbees]

I am not asking for anyone's personal info, show me where I did. I never said it had anything to do with my support, I think that the University should be less secretive about the process and who (DOCTORS) are involved. What about that is bad and what about that is disclosing any personal info??? Did you even read my post?? Did anyone read the actual post??

Even that is against the law.

 

[rrlbees]

What is it that I am wrong about from my post exactly? Was it that a Neurologist should have the final call on a head injury or concussion? Was I wrong that a neurologist cleared AJ to play after Tucker told him no? Was it that since Marrone that we possibly had the most concussion DQ's in D1 football, at least top 5?

All of it.

 

[rrlbees]

Bc the article stated that this family doctor that checks tonsils and gives flu shots, has the final say.

He has the final say in everything. But where in that article does it say if 2 neurologists said he could play he would use his own judgment and say no?

 

[leftytg]

The amount of ignorance in this thread by a few posters is amusing.

I am very, very closely connected to the medical staff of a Big 12 school. I know exactly how the entire process works in great detail. While I can't claim the exact same specific knowledge for Syracuse, I can't imagine it is all that different. The head team doctor at this Big 12 school is a family practitioner, just like Dr. Tucker. He, along with the athletic trainers and the rest of the medical staff, see to the medical needs of the 500 some odd student athletes on the various teams. Ailments range from managing allergies to sports injuries to psychological episodes. Some posters may even be interested to know that this school brings in a ob/gyn every other week to attend to particular issues the female athletes have come up.

Inevitably, in the care of several hundred human beings playing high level sports, more serious injuries come up, including (but not limited to) concussions. In those situations, where greater expertise is required, there are referrals. This particular school works with one particular network of hospitals, and gets concierge level service - meaning appointments are made quickly and the athletes are seen by the best as quickly as possible. The doctors confer, but the consulting doctors give opinions related to their specialties and their findings. It isn't their business to make judgment calls on a particular athlete, only to relate findings. The team doctor can and will confer and ask questions, and upon taking the information from the findings of the specialist, it is his job to translate that into a particular course of action. This is not controversial, despite the pathetic and paranoid attempts by some posters to justify a (rightful) lack of information evidence of some kind of clown shoes medical operation on the part of the University.

Just in the last year or two I can think of disqualification based on information from cardiologists related to concerning family history on a heart exam, disqualification related to various mental illnesses, and yes, several concussion related ones, including at least one last year where the student athletes was DQ'ed at this school, but transferred to continue playing at another. There was a ton of behind the scenes paperwork, medical releases, and communication with the medical staff of the school the athlete was transferring to.

Hope this sheds some light on things, even if it isn't specific to Syracuse. Nothing in what I've read or seen with Dr. Tucker or Syracuse University suggests to me that it is amateur hour going on over there.

 

[bnoro]

Well, I am not and am still a fan because I live here. I would hazard a guess that about 70% or more of the people that fill the Dome on Saturdays are not alums. Would be a lonely Dome if only alums showed up.

You completely missed the point of my post.

 

[CuseOnly]

You completely missed the point of my post.

You completely missed the point of several of mine.