Duke says we're not family

[Orangemen]

Good post Madbiker. Yes, we are the down east Yankee Orange, going to play in the red-neck Bible belt league.

Further, we will be placed on the future schedule of the remaining BE teams about as often as BC, UM and VT have been scheduled by us after they left BE in 2004. Who can name one BE team that has ever scheduled one these guys after they left?

I hope it all works out.

I think most (if not all) BE schools would love to keep us on the schedule.

Between us and UConn, we are the 2 premier NE bball schools, if we come knocking, they have to listen.

We bring our fans, and we bring more of their fans.

Providence draws flies for WVU, and gets no less than 85% capacity for an SU game.

That being said, the only schools in the current BE that we would ever play again are probably Gtown, Nova, SJU, and UConn. I haven't seen any bad blood coming from those schools to this point.

 

[Louie&Bouie]

They're right. We're not family.

I don't drive a BMW 325i. My name doesn't begin with "Biff" or end with "the third.". And I sure as hell don't wear linen pants from Tommy Bahama.

We are the freight train coming down the tracks at 80 mph. I can't wait to run them over. It will be resplendent.

 

[MiniCuse]

I'm fine with not being family. I'd rather be more of a neighbor like Samuel L. Jackson in Lakeview Terrace.

Actually, if you have that sort of attitude you are family here in North Cacalaki. Just don't move in next to me or there's gonna be problems.

 

[grepal]

I don't think we want a bunch of self important preppies with a feeling of entitlement to be a part of "our" family. Just a bunch of panty waists. Wait until they have to play a nitty gritty, tough team from central New York every year. I think there was a reason Coach K. refused to schedule us for even one non-conference game in spite of his relationship with JB. We're not your traditional family going into the ACC, we're more like your obnoxious second cousin who comes over, eats your food, takes your car, and steals your girlfriend, all the while making you hold his coat. Yeah, we will dominate the All Crybaby Conference.

 

[cpatrocks]

Duck Fuke

 

[baggerbob]

The problem is we don't want to be part of the family and they know it. For the past 30 years since the Big East was formed North Carolina and Duke have been the only teams in the ACC except for an occasional Maryland, Wake Forest, NC State. Its been easy to rack up wins and conference titles, and now those yankee outsiders are coming in and messing everything up. They look at recruiting the same as we do and realize with Hop and Gmac the tradition will only get better when we get in the ACC. Lots of kids on the east coast want to be able to say we beat Duke and North Carolina when i went to school and now they have the chance.

 

[realorange]

They are talking about the Carolina's family. Besides, they think they are safe at home in their overgrown high school gym where Syracuse fans will play Hell getting tickets.

 

[DoctorBombay]

What the heck are they talking about with this "family" BS. Would we consider our current conference foes like UCONN, Georgetown, Pitt, and WVU FAMILY?! While we might have some respect for these programs, they are our rivals...our enemies. Guess what Duke...we're coming to Cameron Indoor for thanksgiving dinner next year, and we're not family. We're gonna eat your turkey, insult your wife, kick your cat, and then piss in your washing machine...

And don't forget...

 

[PeteCalvin]

From the Duke Basketball Report (Feb.6):

Syracuse brings a lot to the league, but for all that, they’re not family. Wake and State are. We’ll even claim UNC.
We’d rather play State and Wake twice than Syracuse once.

For all the positives of joining the ACC, especially financially, don't think this is going to be a picnic -- at least for the next 25 years. SU is going from being a revered founding member of our current conference to a step-child. These guys still don't consider Georgia Tech a real member and they joined 30 years ago.

They fear us. People fear what they do not know or understand. They see another roadblock team staring them down. They have to out recruit UNC and State in their own backyard. Who do we have to out recruit? BC? The watered down BE?

If I saw the Plumlee brothers and then saw Fab Melo, Dion, and Carter Williams, I'd be afraid too.

Of course they aren't REALLY afraid, but you have to think that on the heels (no pun) of this Austin Rivers-led, no offensive chemistry team, they see dog fights coming at the top in the near future. They got bullied by Fla St and Miami. UNC has more talent. Adding SU and Pitt puts much more pressure on them now. No more coasting.

I don't see our recruiting, name, or anything else diminishing with this move (in bball). We have TGD doing our marketing in power areas all over the country. He'll continue to put the pressure on the BE in NYC now that we have Duke and UNC as draws to CNY. In turn, the ACC will start upping their advertising in NYC, and they can't do that very well without mentioning SU and Pitt in the same breath.

That NC State game this season was a sign of the coming bball apocalypse to the old entrenched ACC guard. Cakewalks to titles are over. The landscape is changing. As much as we, as SU fans, fear what will happen to our brand when we join the ACC, you have fan bases over there with just as much uncertainty. They know adding SU is at a whole different level than adding BC, Miami and VT in terms of their bball supremacy.

 

[cusetiger10]

FWIW: I'm glad we are joining the ACC for a whole host of reasons, but one thing is for sure...I don't give a rats arse in h...about joining your "family". I'm coming into the ACC to kick your butts and one thing is for sure...Just like I don't cheer for Georgetown or UConn to win anything just for the conference...there is no way I will ever, ever cheer for Duke and UNC to win anything in this conference.

...and one last thing...if those phony refs that give Duke mystery calls think they are going to get away with that crapola in the Dome they have another thing coming.

 

[Cusefan95]

The truth is, Duke and the other Carolina schools don't consider any of the other ACC schools "family". Not Florida State. Or Miami. Or Clemson. Or Georgia Tech. Or BC. Or Maryland. Now they've got two more non-family members to deal with. that's the reality of this, the Carolina mafia's influence continues to decline, and they don't like it one bit. Too damn bad.

 

[LennX6]

From the Duke Basketball Report (Feb.6):

Syracuse brings a lot to the league, but for all that, they’re not family. Wake and State are. We’ll even claim UNC.
We’d rather play State and Wake twice than Syracuse once.

For all the positives of joining the ACC, especially financially, don't think this is going to be a picnic -- at least for the next 25 years. SU is going from being a revered founding member of our current conference to a step-child. These guys still don't consider Georgia Tech a real member and they joined 30 years ago.

Looks like a couple new friends moved into Tech's neighborhood. The us vs. thems numbers are evening up.

 

[midloviking]

Technically, my sister-in-law is family. Alas, I hate that witch!

 

[All4SU]

Duke is right. SU is not family.

 

[cto]

Couple of things....

1) That was a random Duke fan posting on a message board. Clearly, the leadershop at Duke does not feel that way... or we would not be about to join the ACC.

2) SU not playing Duke while we are in different conferences was not a unilateral decision by Coach K. JB and K are best friends in the college coaching world. Clearly it has been a mutual decision by the two of them.

 

[triplethrea]

This sounds like some diss from "Mean Girls". Duke is going all "nobody wants to be friends with you" on us. They always struck me as a feminine team.

 

[Col. Bleep]

You say "Big East"...you think Syracuse.
It's our place. It's where we fit. It's where we belong.

There will never be that association with the ACC.
Culturally, Syracuse will NEVER fit in the ACC.

They know who and what they are.
And, whether anyone likes it or not, we're not part of it.
Never will be, no matter how long we're in the conference.

There are implications.
They would never toss aside the Duke-UNC rivalry the way we toss away our defining
match-up with those scoundrels coming in for a Doming tonight.
And the ACC Tourney at MSG?
HA! (It's not ALL about the Benjamins).

They care about tradition.
We obviously don't.
In the long run, that means something.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

You say "Big East"...you think Syracuse.
It's our place. It's where we fit. It's where we belong.

There will never be that association with the ACC.
Culturally, Syracuse will NEVER fit in the ACC.

They know who and what they are.
And, whether anyone likes it or not, we're not part of it.
Never will be, no matter how long we're in the conference.

There are implications.
They would never toss aside the Duke-UNC rivalry the way we toss away our defining
match-up with those scoundrels coming in for a Doming tonight.
And the ACC Tourney at MSG?
HA! (It's not ALL about the Benjamins).

They care about tradition.
We obviously don't.
In the long run, that means something.

What tradition? We lost BC and WVU. If we didn't go we would have lost Pitt as well. Those are three of our most enduring rivalries. We are a school that plays football, and this leagues is not feasible for that and won't be going forward because the powers that be in the conference never fully embraced football. It was always a basketball league first, even going back to its inception. That shortsightedness has put them in the situation they are in now. You know what? Smith-Corona and Kodak used to be industry giants, but they didn't change with the market and look how that's worked out. Same situation with the Big East.

Our school is not meant for the A-10 or a Catholic basketball league, that's where this league is heading. We play football and basketball and need to be in a league that embraces both equally. Sure traditions matter and 15 years from now when we're waxing Georgetown by 40 like we do Colgate we can reminisce about the traditions that made both those rivalries great back in the day.

 

[Guinness]

You say "Big East"...you think Syracuse.
It's our place. It's where we fit. It's where we belong.

There will never be that association with the ACC.
Culturally, Syracuse will NEVER fit in the ACC.

They know who and what they are.
And, whether anyone likes it or not, we're not part of it.
Never will be, no matter how long we're in the conference.

There are implications.
They would never toss aside the Duke-UNC rivalry the way we toss away our defining
match-up with those scoundrels coming in for a Doming tonight.
And the ACC Tourney at MSG?
HA! (It's not ALL about the Benjamins).

They care about tradition.
We obviously don't.
In the long run, that means something.

The problem is the BE does not exist any more. I don't think of playing the likes of Louisville, Depaul, South Florida, etc as tradition. Seems to me too many folks against the ACC move are either 1) Living in NYC and sick over the loss of the BET or 2) Living in 1985.

 

[Madbiker]

Couple of things....

1) That was a random Duke fan posting on a message board. Clearly, the leadershop at Duke does not feel that way... or we would not be about to join the ACC.


The "not family" comment was made by the editor of the Duke Basketball Report, not a fan on a message board. But yes, certainly it is not the feeling of the Duke or ACC administration.