Dungey vs. Tebow

[SWC75]

Eric Dungey is 6-4 226. In four years his team won 22 games and lost 27. Eric completed 786/1279 (.615) passes for 9,340 yards, 58TDs and 30 interceptions. He ran the ball 543 times for 1,993 yards, a 3.7 average, and ran for 35 touchdowns. He got no votes for the Heisman Trophy. He wasn't drafted in 7 rounds. he did have the reputation of a great competitor and a fiery leader.

Tim Tebo is 6-2 236. In four years his team won 48 games and lost 7 and won two national championships. Tim completed 661/995 (.664) passes for 9,285 yards, 66TDs and 16 interceptions. He ran the ball 692 times for 2,947 yards, a 4.3 average, and ran for 57 touchdowns. He won the Heisman Trophy. He was the 25th player taken in the draft, late in the first round. He, too had the reputation of a great competitor and a fiery leader.

Tebo played for three years in the NFL. His teams went 8-6 in games he started as a quarterback. He wound playing running back and tight end, although he never caught a pass. He completed 173/361 (47.9%) for 2,422 yards, 17TDs and 9 picks. He ran the ball 197 times for 989 yards (5.0) and 12TDs. They said he just wasn't an NFL caliber passer. Tim eventually re-emerged as a baseball player and is, ironically, playing for the Syracuse Mets.

Was Eric Dungey basically Tim Tebo on a bad team? Were the differences in his stats and accomplishments just attributable to the fact that Eric was surrounded by two and three star recruits while Tebo was surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits?

 

[cuse309]

Tebow also played in 53 games, and missed 1.
Dungey played in 39 games and missed 10.
Both loved to run it, and punish the defender. Both played reckless, and were insanely competitive.
NFL teams are not willing to invest money in a guy who is hurt that often.

I think Tebow had better legs, and a similar arm.
Dungey is a poor mans Tim Tebow.

 

[justgold315]

Can Dungey hit a curveball?

 

[LAOrange]

Can Dungey hit a curveball?

Dungey can hit a shotput 450 feet.

 

[storange]

Eric Dungey is 6-4 226. In four years his team won 22 games and lost 27. Eric completed 786/1279 (.615) passes for 9,340 yards, 58TDs and 30 interceptions. He ran the ball 543 times for 1,993 yards, a 3.7 average, and ran for 35 touchdowns. He got no votes for the Heisman Trophy. He wasn't drafted in 7 rounds. he did have the reputation of a great competitor and a fiery leader.

Tim Tebo is 6-2 236. In four years his team won 48 games and lost 7 and won two national championships. Tim completed 661/995 (.664) passes for 9,285 yards, 66TDs and 16 interceptions. He ran the ball 692 times for 2,947 yards, a 4.3 average, and ran for 57 touchdowns. He won the Heisman Trophy. He was the 25th player taken in the draft, late in the first round. He, too had the reputation of a great competitor and a fiery leader.

Tebo played for three years in the NFL. His teams went 8-6 in games he started as a quarterback. He wound playing running back and tight end, although he never caught a pass. He completed 173/361 (47.9%) for 2,422 yards, 17TDs and 9 picks. He ran the ball 197 times for 989 yards (5.0) and 12TDs. They said he just wasn't an NFL caliber passer. Tim eventually re-emerged as a baseball player and is, ironically, playing for the Syracuse Mets.

Was Eric Dungey basically Tim Tebo on a bad team? Were the differences in his stats and accomplishments just attributable to the fact that Eric was surrounded by two and three star recruits while Tebo was surrounded by 4 and 5 star recruits?

What was SU record with ED starting

 

[care taker]

Win / loss , stats , you can never compare
Different coaches , teams , schemes , rules
To many variables . ED played with string will and desire and he is admired for that as well he should be . Mentioning him in the same sentence as Tebow not realistic , Tebow is one of the best college qbs of ALL TIME .

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Yeah, look, we need to be honest here.

As college QBs go, Tebow was legendary.

Dungey was legendary to us, but that's where it ends.

 

[RandomGuy]

Win / loss , stats , you can never compare
Different coaches , teams , schemes , rules
To many variables . ED played with string will and desire and he is admired for that as well he should be . Mentioning him in the same sentence as Tebow not realistic , Tebow is one of the best college qbs of ALL TIME .

Absolutely. Set the college football passing efficiency record, as well. Same unstoppable will? Sure. After that? Nahh.

 

[Eric15]

Tebow is one of the best college qbs of ALL TIME

You could make an argument that Tebow is the greatest college football player of all-time. He's probably Top 10 at absolute worst.

 

[SWC75]

I haven't really seen the central issue addressed: How much of the difference between Tebow's achievements and Dungeys are attributable to the players around him?

What would Tebow's record look like if he'd been the QB of the 2015-18 Syracuse teams? Would Dungey have been been able to accomplish something similar to what Tebow did if he had quarterbacked the 2006-2009 Florida teams? Would we have been significantly better? Would they have significantly worse?

 

[cuse309]

I haven't really seen the central issue addressed: How much of the difference between Tebow's achievements and Dungeys are attributable to the players around him?

What would Tebow's record look like if he'd been the QB of the 2015-18 Syracuse teams? Would Dungey have been been able to accomplish something similar to what Tebow did if he had quarterbacked the 2006-2009 Florida teams? Would we have been significantly better? Would they have significantly worse?

Now that you mention it...I think Daniel Jones was a great pick for the G-Men! He was working with nothing at Duke.
I have no idea how you could break that down. Way to many variables.

 

[wfschrec]

Now that you mention it...I think Daniel Jones was a great pick for the G-Men! He was working with nothing at Duke.
I have no idea how you could break that down. I know he was throwing to Sinorice Moss, and Devin Hester his freshman year. After that he didn't throw to a drafted WR with the exception of Leonard Hankerson in his Sr. year.

Tebow played at UF not Miami. Better check again.

 

[RandomGuy]

The murderous, Aaron Hernandez was a teamate.

Tebow set the all time passing efficiency record. He would have been better than ED. I'm sorry, there is still no question.

 

[cuse309]

The murderous, Aaron Hernandez was a teamate.

Tebow set the all time passing efficiency record. He would have been better than ED. I'm sorry, there is still no question.

#1 Hernandez caught 0 balls a a freshman, 9 as a sophomore, 34 as a jr, and 68 as a senior.
#2 I'm not making the case that Dungey was better, or even as good. Like I said above, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow.

 

[cuse309]

Tebow played at UF not Miami. Better check again.

Oh, crap. I was wrapped up in the Van Dyke Miami talk before this. I had the wrong guys in mind.

 

[cuse309]

Tebow played at UF not Miami. Better check again.

Fixed

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Tebow’s passing at the end was excellent and it was against top competition at the college level so he got drafted in the first round. It regressed big time when he got to the NFL yet he still managed to win games despite throwing the ball in the dirt regularly.

Who knows though if Eric managed to stay healthy all 4 years and didn’t play his senior season with a banged up throwing shoulder the comparison might be warranted.

 

[RandomGuy]

#1 Hernandez caught 0 balls a a freshman, 9 as a sophomore, 34 as a jr, and 68 as a senior.
#2 I'm case that Dungey was better, or even as good. Like I said above, he's a poor man's Tim Tebow.

Hernandez was Tebows leading receiver(68 of his 213),in his final year, followed by Riley Cooper. Both went on to the NFL. Percy harvin was his leading wr the 2 previous years.

At that time, No QB ever enjoyed higher passing efficiency than Tebow(crazy, right?). His wrs weren't the best ever. The only comparison I can make, is that the 2 could simply will their way to victory.

2009 Florida Gators Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

2009 Florida Gators Stats

www.sports-reference.com

 

[sufandu]

I haven't really seen the central issue addressed: How much of the difference between Tebow's achievements and Dungeys are attributable to the players around him?

What would Tebow's record look like if he'd been the QB of the 2015-18 Syracuse teams? Would Dungey have been been able to accomplish something similar to what Tebow did if he had quarterbacked the 2006-2009 Florida teams? Would we have been significantly better? Would they have significantly worse?

That's probably because it's impossible to say. The other thing to consider is that Tebow was tailor made for Urban Meyers' system and Dungey was not an exact fit for Dino's. And although Meyer was one of the coaches to popularize the read option stuff that everyone does, his system wasn't a tempo offense like ours.

I recall that it was a surprise when Tebow was drafted in the first round and ultimately he was a bust when you consider 1st round guys are supposed to be impact players for around a decade. If Dungey is a poor man's Tebow, we have nomreason to expect more from him. I hope he gets a shot though.

 

[All4SU]

Tebow also played in 53 games, and missed 1.
Dungey played in 39 games and missed 10.
Both loved to run it, and punish the defender. Both played reckless, and were insanely competitive.
NFL teams are not willing to invest money in a guy who is hurt that often.

I think Tebow had better legs, and a similar arm.
Dungey is a poor mans Tim Tebow.

Fine. You’re right, of course. But honesty compels me to point out that if not for a cheap, late hit by a CMU defender, while Dungey is already on the ground, perhaps Dungey’s “pattern” of injuries is greatly reduced. That certainly wasn’t ED’s fault.

 

[All4SU]

Unless I’m mistaken, none of Dungey’s WRs were drafted, none of Dungey’s OL were drafted, none of Dungey’s RBs were drafted, none of Dungey’s TEs were drafted. To SWC’s point, I’m certain the same could not be said of Tebow.

 

[Dodger44]

I read on Syracuse.com when Dungey was working out with a QB coach out west prior to the draft that Dungey stated that his foot work was all wrong. ???? Is that for the pro game or has it been all wrong with his college QB coaches ? I think the NFL shied away from him due to his injuries first.

 

[cuse309]

Fine. You’re right, of course. But honesty compels me to point out that if not for a cheap, late hit by a CMU defender, while Dungey is already on the ground, perhaps Dungey’s “pattern” of injuries is greatly reduced. That certainly wasn’t ED’s fault.

Tebow played the next game.

 

[cuse309]

Unless I’m mistaken, none of Dungey’s WRs were drafted, none of Dungey’s OL were drafted, none of Dungey’s RBs were drafted, none of Dungey’s TEs were drafted. To SWC’s point, I’m certain the same could not be said of Tebow.

There are plenty of NFL QB's who never threw to an NFL WR in college. Too many to count. If the NFL thinks you're good enough, you'll get a shot.

 

[MG44]

I say we set up The Octagon in NBT Stadium and let them settle the dispute once and for all