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Dungy arm injury

I don't think his arm had anything to do with it. His footwork was poor yesterday. My dad was watching the game with me and kept mentioning his feet. Dungey doesn't have a good drop back to allow himself space in the pocket and plant his back legs before the throw. That's why he threw the ball into the ground and not in Nykeim's chest which ultimately proved to be a huge incomplete.
 
On the last meaningful possession before the 4th down play, did NJ drop the ED pass or did ED bounce it to him? I couldn't really see the game that well.
 
On the last meaningful possession before the 4th down play, did NJ drop the ED pass or did ED bounce it to him? I couldn't really see the game that well.

He bounced it. Look at ED's first pass in the FSU game and immediately after he is holding his arm. Dino commented on it after the play saying he told him not to throw that way. I think he pinched something in his shoulder or elbow then and he looked like he was favoring it yesterday.
 
He bounced it. Look at ED's first pass in the FSU game and immediately after he is holding his arm. Dino commented on it after the play saying he told him not to throw that way. I think he pinched something in his shoulder or elbow then and he looked like he was favoring it yesterday.

Thanks, to short of a throw to bounce that and I was blaming NJ for dropping it as I couldn't really see it. ED has to get some of his mechanics right for this team to win the rest of its games.
 
On the last meaningful possession before the 4th down play, did NJ drop the ED pass or did ED bounce it to him? I couldn't really see the game that well.
That's a tough pass to make, too. Pump, turn upfield and throw back towards the same sideline. Trying to get the pass off too quickly kills it.
 
That's a tough pass to make, too. Pump, turn upfield and throw back towards the same sideline. Trying to get the pass off too quickly kills it.

It's footwork and has to be executed.
 
his biggest issue is rushing throws and using his arms not his legs. when he sets he is fine. but some of that is seeing things late and a hurry to get it there.
 
On his interception it seemed that butler had his man beat. It was just a badly underthrown ball. Huge swing.
 
I don't know, maybe it's just me. I think Dungey is playing not to get hurt. He seems to be "softer" on most runs now, meaning not the so called reckless Dungey of past. Then his passes seem like he is trying to add to much "touch" on them.

But, I am sure I am wrong in all of my thinking. To be honest, I am just glad he is still out there playing.
 
Clemson is not a good team, They are a super elite team with talent equal to Alabama and Ohio State.

You literally just said, in another thread, that they lose at Wake next week.

So which side of your mouth do you actually believe?
 
Not sure I would say it exactly that way. Dungey ran well against them last year. They changed their scheme to deal with his running ability (but that plan only works if you have an elite secondary). Not exactly transferable to any other ACC team.

He actually is a fairly accurate passer. Hard to say 64% season average completion pct. is not accurate. Yesterday, he was 27 for 41 for 250 yards (6.1 avg.).

Clearly not his best game but for a few passes he spun it ok. The issue to me is what happened on those passes. Was it just a few poor throws out of 41 or did it have something to do with a physical problem. The fact they occurred late in the game makes me wonder.

Bye week can't come soon enough.
In baseball you can't tell a pitcher's control simply by looking at their strike percentage. A pitcher can throw strikes but have terrible command, in that they miss their target and throw a meatball right down the middle.

Similarly, you can't just look at a QB's completion percentage and determine how accurate they are. For one, not all throws are the same - deep throws will necessarily be a lower percentage than dump offs or WR bubble screens.

More importantly, a throw can be completed but not accurate. If a WR is wide open but has to jump up and fully extend to snare a pass, giving the DB time to recover and make an immediate tackle, those are missed yards. If a WR has a step on a DB going across the middle, the difference between catching it in stride and having to turn or bend for the ball makes all the difference.

Dungey is well below average in accuracy when you look at these kinds of passes. He almost never hits a receiver in stride, or puts a receiver in optimal position to run after the catch. The difference in the WR bubble play from in the FSU game from the 1st half with Dungey to the 2nd half with Devito was stark. Devito was hitting guys right on the numbers with velocity, allowing them to make a move before the defenders were close. Watch a Syracuse game and take note of the completed passes where receivers have to jump up or stretch or stop their momentum to gather the ball. It isn't every time (this is P5 level football afterall), and Dungey does put some balls right on the money, but he is incredibly inconsistent and below average at it.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, but we have yet to see Dino's offense. He and Dungey are an odd marriage, and he would never handpick a QB with the skill set of Dungey to lead his offense. But Dungey was, by far, the best option here and Dino has, to his credit, altered his way of doing things to maximize the hand he was dealt.

I think we'll see a lot of differences in the playcalling and other nuances of the offense next year, as Dino will have a throwing QB with experience in the system for the first time in his tenure at Syracuse. Dungey, through his particular gifts and talents, has raised the floor of what the Syracuse offense can do, but his limitations has also limited the ceiling. Clemson knew Dungey couldn't beat them throwing and didn't let him run, and the Syracuse offense ground to a halt. Next year, they won't be able to do that. Devito won't move piles on the goal line, which we will miss, but he'll be able to attack the field downfield and is still nimble enough to make defenses pay if they drop back into coverage too much.

I'm enjoying the heck out of this season, but I think next season has Top 15 ranking potential. They will be monsters on offense with all the young and maturing talent they'll have.
 
That's a tough pass to make, too. Pump, turn upfield and throw back towards the same sideline. Trying to get the pass off too quickly kills it.

He actually had time. He pumped in Nykeim's direction before throwing it. It's all in his footwork. He was making those throws in the first four weeks.

On his interception it seemed that butler had his man beat. It was just a badly underthrown ball. Huge swing.

I looked at that play and I saw miscommunication. It looked like he was expecting Butler to come back to the ball.
 
he always throws like that to me.. rushes it and uses bad footwork too much.. a couple huge throws he left short like the INT and the dribble to johnson that really came at bad times.

He doesn't always shot put it. He has shown a more than adequate arm in the past for extended periods.
 
Idk. It’s almost like he’s being so careful to put touch on the ball and make a perfect throw he’s underthrowing it. Like playing cornhole. Noticed he was throwing off his back foot to. Doesn’t step into passes. It was hard for me to think he has an arm injury because it looked like a lot of his throws last year. If he stepped into the butler throw and led him it might be 6.

I personally thought he looked slower running today than normal. Like running in sand.

Thought the same thing. The bulk and meathead look could be catching up to him speed and flexibility wise. Affecting his quuckness and arm. Edinger knows best but it defies science to try and add bulk and maintain speed and arm strength.
 
He hurt his shoulder trying to score against WMU.
I think it has been an issue all year.
What do we know? They don't tell us anything, but this is what I observed. FSU problem consistent with this.
 
In baseball you can't tell a pitcher's control simply by looking at their strike percentage. A pitcher can throw strikes but have terrible command, in that they miss their target and throw a meatball right down the middle.

Similarly, you can't just look at a QB's completion percentage and determine how accurate they are. For one, not all throws are the same - deep throws will necessarily be a lower percentage than dump offs or WR bubble screens.

More importantly, a throw can be completed but not accurate. If a WR is wide open but has to jump up and fully extend to snare a pass, giving the DB time to recover and make an immediate tackle, those are missed yards. If a WR has a step on a DB going across the middle, the difference between catching it in stride and having to turn or bend for the ball makes all the difference.

Dungey is well below average in accuracy when you look at these kinds of passes. He almost never hits a receiver in stride, or puts a receiver in optimal position to run after the catch. The difference in the WR bubble play from in the FSU game from the 1st half with Dungey to the 2nd half with Devito was stark. Devito was hitting guys right on the numbers with velocity, allowing them to make a move before the defenders were close. Watch a Syracuse game and take note of the completed passes where receivers have to jump up or stretch or stop their momentum to gather the ball. It isn't every time (this is P5 level football afterall), and Dungey does put some balls right on the money, but he is incredibly inconsistent and below average at it.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, but we have yet to see Dino's offense. He and Dungey are an odd marriage, and he would never handpick a QB with the skill set of Dungey to lead his offense. But Dungey was, by far, the best option here and Dino has, to his credit, altered his way of doing things to maximize the hand he was dealt.

I think we'll see a lot of differences in the playcalling and other nuances of the offense next year, as Dino will have a throwing QB with experience in the system for the first time in his tenure at Syracuse. Dungey, through his particular gifts and talents, has raised the floor of what the Syracuse offense can do, but his limitations has also limited the ceiling. Clemson knew Dungey couldn't beat them throwing and didn't let him run, and the Syracuse offense ground to a halt. Next year, they won't be able to do that. Devito won't move piles on the goal line, which we will miss, but he'll be able to attack the field downfield and is still nimble enough to make defenses pay if they drop back into coverage too much.

I'm enjoying the heck out of this season, but I think next season has Top 15 ranking potential. They will be monsters on offense with all the young and maturing talent they'll have.

Excellent post. Candid and very accurate.

Compared to previous quarterbacks Dungey is a far better passer. He is not as accurate as Nassib was on short to intermediate passes but far better on long routes. He is a far better passer than so many others.

That said, you are quite correct about his not being an elite P5 level passer. Everything you said is on point.

I am very reluctant to criticise ED because I think he held the program together these last 4 years and gave us many great memories and, most of all, hope.

The fact is Dino would not have recruited him. His offense does not contemplate the qb as leading rusher.

He recruited an accurate passer who is mobile enough to extend plays but not a great dual threat.

The offense needs Devito's skill set to really hum. We have seen signs already and will see more before the year is over.

Great post, thanks.
 
Its as plain as day that Eric is hurt. He was "shot putting" his throws. It looks as if the shoulder injury Bees has mentioned is significant.
Based upon what I heard rest is not going to help Eric. Just hope he can make it through his senior year.
 
You literally just said, in another thread, that they lose at Wake next week.

So which side of your mouth do you actually believe?
I believe both. They have super elite talent and Syracuse should have won that game except for a few plays and some "officiating". This Kelley Bryant thing is going to ruin team cohesion and you can't beat ACC teams if everyone isn't on the same page. The initial reaction with such a shocking event is for the team to rally around, which is why the were able to overcome against Syracuse. That won't last and I'm sure a bunch of guys are upset about this and when they get 1 loss, it will blow up. Wake is a well coached team that is getting on track and I think they will upset Clemson.
 
I believe both. They have super elite talent and Syracuse should have won that game except for a few plays and some "officiating". This Kelley Bryant thing is going to ruin team cohesion and you can't beat ACC teams if everyone isn't on the same page. The initial reaction with such a shocking event is for the team to rally around, which is why the were able to overcome against Syracuse. That won't last and I'm sure a bunch of guys are upset about this and when they get 1 loss, it will blow up. Wake is a well coached team that is getting on track and I think they will upset Clemson.

I hear what you are saying, but if you think Clemson is right up there with Bama and OSU (and I do as well), then there is no reason to predict an upset in Winston-Salem next weekend.
 
I hear what you are saying, but if you think Clemson is right up there with Bama and OSU (and I do as well), then there is no reason to predict an upset in Winston-Salem next weekend.
I think this QB thing is going to get real toxic.
 
When Dungey has throwing issues it sometimes occurs all in one series. Like two throws in a row that are way off target. Maybe he gets derailed or something when he is so off target the first time.

And yeah, his throws to the sideline ... when Devito is in that is the first thing I notice, our outside game gets better because the ball is there a split second faster.
 
Ya, he looks banged up. No zip on his throws, he looks a step slow and he isn’t running with power on the QB keepers minus the two back to back runs for the score in the 3rd. Maybe we let Pitt prepare for Dungey all week and trot out TD Saturday for the start and give Eric 2 weeks to heal up a bit.

I think he might have had a minor dislocation in his shoulder on that hit near the goal line in game one vs. WMU. I don't think he has thrown that well most of the year so far, to be honest.
 
His footwork is off but I also think his size now impacts throwing in the proper arm slot. He is massive now. All that muscle through the chest and shoulders impacts throwing mechanics.
 

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