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Home game not allowed!i get nervous in my pants just thinking about that! imagine if syracuse is playing there?!?!??! uhhhh i gotta go change my pants
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As SU was placed in the East last season, it's unlikely that they would end up there again. Unless they win the ACC.
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Is the rule 3 regular season games make it a home court?
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you could be in the east for 10 straight years, no offense, what you said made no sense, and if there was a dislike button I would hit it. It makes no difference were they were last year
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Of course it makes a difference. Do you think SU is the only school that wants to stay in the East? How about Duke, UNC and our old Big East mates like GTown and UConn? If it comes down to a close call, SU would be unlikely to get the nod to stay "home" for the second year in a row.
As for your wish to honor me with multiple "dislikes"--I consider that a badge of honor.
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Considering the fact that we've been in the east region for 3 straight years, I consider it nearly impossible to be in the east for a fourth straight time!
if we earn he east, we will get it, that simple,
if we earn it, we earn it
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Which is why I said, in my first post, that we would need to win the ACC to get the East.
(And, did we earn it last year, as a 4-seed?)
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Last year was an anomaly.
The highest ranked team in the Big East (Louisville) was put in the Midweat because it was much closer to their home.
The second highest ranked team in the Big East (Georgetown) was sent to the South because they could not play in a regional in DC.
The third highest ranked team in the Big East (Marquette) was put in the East, but lost to us in the Elite Eight.
And the third and fourth highest ranked teams in the West (New Mexico and KSU) ... were both "west of the Mississippi" teams. It would have been stupid to send one of them to the east ... and us to the west.
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NCAA pays travel costs for teams in the tourney. It is in their best interest to keep SU in the East if they are a top 4 seed because Buffalo and NYC fall within the bus range. (see Cal in San Jose last year)
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It has nothing to do if we were there last year or not. It's going to come down to how we rank on the S-curve. If we win the league, (and by that let's assume we all mean are the highest ranked team on the S-curve from the league, which is usually, but not always, the same) then we would almost certainly be there. If not, then it's a lot less likely.
The top 3 teams from a conference can't be in the same region. So if we're second or third from the ACC, and Duke is first, then Duke is going to MSG and we're going somewhere else. We could also end up there as the 4th or 5th team out of the conference, which is what happened last year.
The other 4 seeds were Michigan, Kansas State, and St. louis. So yes, we were pretty clearly the easternmost of those schools.
The top 3 teams from a conference can't be in the same region. So if we're second or third from the ACC, and Duke is first, then Duke is going to MSG and we're going somewhere else. We could also end up there as the 4th or 5th team out of the conference, which is what happened last year.
The other 4 seeds were Michigan, Kansas State, and St. louis. So yes, we were pretty clearly the easternmost of those schools.
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Where SU was placed last year is irrelevant.
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The selections and seeding/placement are not done in a vacuum. As a #4 seed, we got a big break last year being placed in Washington. The committee is unlikely to give us that same consideration 2 years in a row.
Again, if we win the ACC we will be placed in the East--just like Miami was last year. If not, I don't see us in the same regional as Duke/UNC, or whoever it is that did win the ACC.
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As much as people would like to believe the committee discusses what happens in prior years and tries to screw/unscrew past wrongs/rights, they do not. If they did, at some point it would come out, and there would be hell to pay. Each year is an independent event. Playing in DC does not preclude or make any more of less probable the possibility of playing at MSG. SU needs to take care of business and earn a protected seed that would entitle them to play in NYC.
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So, all we have to do is win the ACC, and we will get a preferred seeding/placement. Because, if someone else is the league champ, they are going to be placed in the East, and the committee is not going to put 2 top teams from the same league in the same regional.
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Pretty much. But really, according to the principles of seeding and placement (which I don't think were changed by the recently announced changes to bracketing), technically we only need to be a top 4 seed to get preferential treatment in terms of placement. All I was saying is that each year is an independent event.
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Yes, but that has nothing to do with how we were placed last year. The top 3 teams from a conference can't be in the same gegion.
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Our placement last year was arguably the most favorable since 2003.
Louisville, GTown, Marquette and Pitt all finished ahead of us in the BE. Louisville wanted Indy because they were the #1 overall seed. GT couldn't play in the East because it was on their home court. Beating Pitt in the BET tourney probably gave us the edge over them. And both SU (#4) and Marquette (#3) were placed in the East.
My contention is that if we finish 3rd or 4th (maybe 2nd) in the ACC next season, we will not be placed in the East.
Further, if lots of crazy things happen, and we have a legitimate shot at the East even if we do not finish at the top of the ACC, we likely not get the benefit of the doubt on a close call.
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I agree with most of that. All I was saying is that whether or not we get placed in the East has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened in preceding years.
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I agree with you in theory. But everybody is influenced by their experiences, regardless of protestations that they will approach a given task with an open mind.
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As was touched on here, I think we're talking a little past each other here. We did get favorable placement, but that was mainly for 2 reasons. 1) Gtown couldn't play in the East because it was in DC, and then we got a "break" because we were the 4th team from the BE off the board, so we could be placed in the same region as one of the top 3 teams, Marquette.
Pitt was an 8 seed, we were a 4. We were pretty far ahead of them on the seed list. (we were 16, they were 31. So I doubt the outcome of just that one game was the reason we were ahead of them)
I agree with your contention, but it has nothing to do with where we were placed last year, and everything to do with the rules the NCAA has for seeding the field.
By the way, funny this has come up, because I was just reading the NCAA selection committee made a slight tweak to the rule. From Lunardi
So basically, if this rule was in effect last year, we could not have been placed in the East.
There's too much going on in any given year when it comes to seeding and bracketing the field for the committee to spend too much time worrying about what happened last year.
If we're the first ACC team off the board next year, we'll probably be the #1 seed in the east. If we're not first, but still inside the top 4 of the ACC, then we can't be placed in the east unless we're a 5 seef or worse.
Pitt was an 8 seed, we were a 4. We were pretty far ahead of them on the seed list. (we were 16, they were 31. So I doubt the outcome of just that one game was the reason we were ahead of them)
I agree with your contention, but it has nothing to do with where we were placed last year, and everything to do with the rules the NCAA has for seeding the field.
By the way, funny this has come up, because I was just reading the NCAA selection committee made a slight tweak to the rule. From Lunardi
So basically, if this rule was in effect last year, we could not have been placed in the East.
There's too much going on in any given year when it comes to seeding and bracketing the field for the committee to spend too much time worrying about what happened last year.
If we're the first ACC team off the board next year, we'll probably be the #1 seed in the east. If we're not first, but still inside the top 4 of the ACC, then we can't be placed in the east unless we're a 5 seef or worse.
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