Emmett caved

[rrlbees]

Was going to be a 4 year death penalty.

Wonder if he got paid off.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8228641

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[RF2044]

Too bad--while a 4-year death penalty might have seemed harsh prior to the sanctions being announced, the subsequent behavior / defiance from that fanbase suggests that culturally they just don't get it.

The penalties didn't go nearly far enough, IMO, to ensure the needed cultural changes around that program.

 

[GoSU96]

Was going to be a 4 year death penalty.

Wonder if he got paid off.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8228641

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Where do come up with some of this stuff?

That article describes a reasonable settlement of an extraordinary event.

 

[MikeSU02]

Was going to be a 4 year death penalty.

Wonder if he got paid off.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8228641

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Yet at 11:30 that morning, Karen Peetz, the chairwoman of the board, was huddled with members of her 11-member executive committee and other trustees to write a statement for the media to be delivered later that day. At 3:30, Peetz and Frazier told reporters that the trustees accepted full responsibility for the school's failures outlined in the Freeh report. Emmert would later speak of the trustees' "acceptance of the report." But no vote of the full board was taken. Trustees say the day was so chaotic that the board never discussed the report's contents.


"We didn't formally accept the report," a trustee says grimly, "but everyone thinks we did, and that's all that matters." The next day was chewed up with hearings on budget and other matters; the findings again weren't discussed by the full board.

Really? There wasn't time to discuss the findings? Wow.

 

[Faegan]

There should have been a clause attached to the deal they got that if the culture wasn't changing, in the estimation of the NCAA, the 4-year death penalty would be imposed.

 

[Scooch]

Emmett?

 

[rrlbees]

Where do come up with some of this stuff?

That article describes a reasonable settlement of an extraordinary event.

Did you skip the beginning of the article?

And what is "where do you get some of this stuff?

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[rrlbees]

Emmett?

Damn phone.


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[Townie72]

There should have been a clause attached to the deal they got that if the culture wasn't changing, in the estimation of the NCAA, the 4-year death penalty would be imposed.

There should have been a clause attached to the deal they got that if the culture wasn't changing, in the estimation of the NCAA, the 4-year death penalty would be imposed.

I'm curious. Tell me about the "new culture" you imagine.

What would it be like?

Do you believe that any PSU administrator after all of this would turn a blind eye to any infraction? That "culture change" doesn't seem to satisfy you.

I'm just guessing that this new culture you are envisioning is like Sicilian women mourning death of a husband with years of wearing only black. In this new culture, any expression of PSU Pride would be banned. I'm guessing you'd be for something akin to Germany after WWII.

 

[GoSU96]

Did you skip the beginning of the article?

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Yeah, it was their OPENING position. I didn't skip a thing.

They also needed PSU to sign up to the consent decree because the NCAA had questionable authority to do what they were trying to do.

 

[billsin01]

I'm curious. Tell me about the "new culture" you imagine.

What would it be like?

Do you believe that any PSU administrator after all of this would turn a blind eye to any infraction? That "culture change" doesn't seem to satisfy you.

I'm just guessing that this new culture you are envisioning is like Sicilian women mourning death of a husband with years of wearing only black. In this new culture, any expression of PSU Pride would be banned. I'm guessing you'd be for something akin to Germany after WWII.

I think we'd all love it if programs were far more ethical in the way things were dealt with, but that just ain't happening. Too much money at stake to really crack down on things the way Ivys do -- or at least claim to do.

I don't think there will actually be much of a culture change at Ped St. but I'm not sure the NCAA can do anything to alter that. We're too far down this road.

 

[billsin01]

Was going to be a 4 year death penalty.

Wonder if he got paid off.

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8228641

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I would not have had any problem with the death penalty for four years ... or 10 years for that matter. That's how bad I think this situation stinks.

But, that said, I don't think the negotiation necessarily constitutes caving. For one, the NCAA really doesn't benefit from cancelling the program in any way. IN fact, it hurts them in many ways. Secondly, I wonder if they felt negotiating was a much better, cleaner way to impose sanctions and be done with this mess. PSU likely fights a 4-year death penalty tooth and nail and the NCAA would have to make a pretty strong case for their jurisdiction, which as many have pointed out may not have gone in their favor.

And finally, as annoying as their fans have been and as much as I'll root against them forever, the current staff, the administration, the players and even the largely absurd fan base had nothing to do with what happened. You really do end up punitively punishing a lot of innocent folks with a 4-year death penalty.

Again, I would have been fine with it, but I'm not that appalled by the decision to negotiate.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm curious. Tell me about the "new culture" you imagine.

What would it be like?

Do you believe that any PSU administrator after all of this would turn a blind eye to any infraction? That "culture change" doesn't seem to satisfy you.

I'm just guessing that this new culture you are envisioning is like Sicilian women mourning death of a husband with years of wearing only black. In this new culture, any expression of PSU Pride would be banned. I'm guessing you'd be for something akin to Germany after WWII.

The new culture could start with some remorse, acceptance that the institution allowed some terrible things to happen and maybe not act like they are the abused and responding by basically flipping the bird at the NCAA.

The way their fans, BOT, admins and others have acted is deplorable.

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[All4SU]

The end of that article is shocking, to say the least. That there would still be Penn State Trustees speaking out about an injustice being done -- well, it boggles my mind. And and anyone who thinks that what they received is worse that the "death penalty" from the NCAA is not thinking clearly.

From the beginning, I questioned whether the NCAA would take the authority to punish PSU. I gradually came around to that thinking. And now, I am appalled that PSU, the university and its representatives can be so vocally critical of the punishment they received.

 

[kingottoiii]

Ugh just go away Paternos

 

[rrlbees]

Yeah, it was their OPENING position. I didn't skip a thing.

They also needed PSU to sign up to the consent decree because the NCAA had questionable authority to do what they were trying to do.

Exactly. They didn't have to negotiate down. The NCAA board was fine with 4 years. If PSU balked, they should have said, ok 5 years. He caved ans should have stuck with the 4 year death penalty. What PedSt did is not something to negotiate.

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[rrlbees]

Ugh just go away Paternos

PSU signed off on it. Seems like the paternos are mad at the wrong people.

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[Faegan]

I'm curious. Tell me about the "new culture" you imagine.

What would it be like?

Do you believe that any PSU administrator after all of this would turn a blind eye to any infraction? That "culture change" doesn't seem to satisfy you.

I'm just guessing that this new culture you are envisioning is like Sicilian women mourning death of a husband with years of wearing only black. In this new culture, any expression of PSU Pride would be banned. I'm guessing you'd be for something akin to Germany after WWII.

Exactly what Bees said above. And how about JoePa's wife not showing up to PSU rallies less than month after the sanctions were handed down? She was the only Italian woman I had in mind.

 

[rrlbees]

The end of that article is shocking, to say the least. That there would still be Penn State Trustees speaking out about an injustice being done -- well, it boggles my mind. And and anyone who thinks that what they received is worse that the "death penalty" from the NCAA is not thinking clearly.

From the beginning, I questioned whether the NCAA would take the authority to punish PSU. I gradually came around to that thinking. And now, I am appalled that PSU, the university and its representatives can be so vocally critical of the punishment they received.

Yea, that TRUSTEE saying Paterno had more integrity in his pinky than Emmert had in his whole body.

The culture has changed so much that a leader of PedSt gives a big you to the NCAA. PedSt feels they are above everything and everyone, including those who don't take lightly the raping of boys.

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[Scooch]

Damn phone.


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I was just THRILLED to have an opportunity to post a pic of Emmett Otter!

 

[NKR1978]

Ugh just go away Paternos

Let them appeal and let the NCAA go through the motions of a proper appeals process and then hit them with a 5 year death penalty.

 

[GoSU96]

Exactly. They didn't have to negotiate down. The NCAA board was fine with 4 years. If PSU balked, they should have said, ok 5 years. He caved ans should have stuck with the 4 year death penalty. What PedSt did is not something to negotiate.

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They didn't have to negotiate? Really, you know this because?

There is absolutely nothing cut and dried regarding the question if the NCAA had the authority to do what they did, let alone impose a 4 year death penalty.

 

[GoSU96]

Yea, that TRUSTEE saying Paterno had more integrity in his pinky than Emmert had in his whole body.

The culture has changed so much that a leader of PedSt gives a big you to the NCAA. PedSt feels they are above everything and everyone, including those who don't take lightly the raping of boys.

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Jesus, it's one trustee out of how many? What's with the collective guilt. The guy said what HE thought, he wasn't speaking for the institution.

You've got a bunch of people in shock, grief, and denial. They say stupid things. Give it a rest.

 

[All4SU]

Jesus, it's one trustee out of how many? What's with the collective guilt. The guy said what HE thought, he wasn't speaking for the institution.

You've got a bunch of people in shock, grief, and denial. They say stupid things. Give it a rest.

Yet some trustees see little positive in moving forward with Penn State football so changed. Some trustees argue that the package of sanctions was worse than the death penalty. Some remain furious at Erickson. ...

Trustees who remain angry are mad at themselves too. Several say the board should not have tacitly accepted the Freeh report's findings within hours of its release. The circumstances have a handful of trustees discussing how to overturn the decree in court. "This was such overkill," one trustee says. "It's like walking around with a dagger in you. Emmert and the NCAA are basically ruining this university. They are destroying the school."

Indeed, much of the fury is directed at Emmert, who in the end may actually have kept the football program on the field. "What I have seen of him and heard of him, I just can't stand the guy," one trustee says, noting Emmert's comfort roaming the stage during the July 23 presser and his media availability afterward.

Some trustees complain that the NCAA used sanctions as an opportunity for university presidents to exact revenge: The Penn State Way of piling up victories while graduating players at the highest levels was something their own schools could not do.

"Mark Emmert showed himself to be a sanctimonious hypocrite," says Anthony Lubrano, a trustee who joined the board in July and is an unabashed Paterno supporter. "Joe Paterno had more integrity in his little finger than Emmert has in his whole body."
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Doesn't sound like just one Trustee to me. Certainly, Lubrano is not the anonymous Trustee referenced above, because they wouldn't then quote him later. Sounds like LOTS of Trustees to me.

 

[rrlbees]

Jesus, it's one trustee out of how many? What's with the collective guilt. The guy said what HE thought, he wasn't speaking for the institution.

You've got a bunch of people in shock, grief, and denial. They say stupid things. Give it a rest.

Seriously, you haven't followed along must be. Want me to repost any number of articles and quotes? You've obviously missed a lot.

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