Emmett caved

[raf4488]

NCAA should've completed their own investigation before punishing PSU. This sets an awful precedent, as terrible as what happened in State College was.

 

[GoSU96]

Seriously, you haven't followed along must be. Want me to repost any number of articles and quotes? You've obviously missed a lot.

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Seriously, who cares if they are complaining. They aren't running the school. They aren't the ones that cut the deal with the NCAA.

The people in charge have agreed to sign off on substantial punishment without contesting the NCAA's authority to do so.

I don't believe in collective guilt, scorched earth, kill them all, treat it like Carthage. But that's just me. A closed circle of people made some horrible decisions. The institution is paying for it along with them. That's enough.

 

[rrlbees]

Seriously, who cares if they are complaining. They aren't running the school. They aren't the ones that cut the deal with the NCAA.

The people in charge have agreed to sign off on substantial punishment without contesting the NCAA's authority to do so.

I don't believe in collective guilt, scorched earth, kill them all, treat it like Carthage. But that's just me. A closed circle of people made some horrible decisions. The institution is paying for it along with them. That's enough.

The people in charge? You mean Erickson? The BOT didn't sign off on anything and that is why they are crying.

Ans that closed circle of peopleon is broader than we now know. And that closed circle represented the institution. It is now obvious to most that they should have gotten the death penalty. When PSU, JS, 2nd Mile, boosters, pols ams that guy who admitted to raping 100's of boys and then was found to also have aids...then plenty of people will be calling for a scorched earth which burns the campus down.

There is 100x more outrage at PedSt about their football team getting penalties than there is or was about what their institution allowed to happen.

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[SUFaninNJ]

I was just THRILLED to have an opportunity to post a pic of Emmett Otter!

Emmett Otter? "Ain't no hole in the washtub!"

 

[javadoc]

Was going to be a 4 year death penalty.

From the article, a majority of the NCAA board of directors (minimum 10 out of 18) were ready to impose a 4-year death penalty. I continue to be amazed at how many people thought the NCAA wouldn't, couldn't, and/or shouldn't, make a strong move.

 

[rrlbees]

From the article, a majority of the NCAA board of directors (minimum 10 out of 18) were ready to impose a 4-year death penalty. I continue to be amazed at how many people thought the NCAA wouldn't, couldn't, and/or shouldn't, make a strong move.

Exactly. Didn't need to be negotiated down. Emmert had the backing of the board.

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[retro44]

Exactly. Didn't need to be negotiated down. Emmert had the backing of the board.

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i thought the threshold was to be much highe than 50% when deciding a death penalty

 

[SU2NASA]

Everything about how up the Penn State football-centric culture is, in one tidy little sentence:

"Emmert and the NCAA are basically ruining this university. They are destroying the school."

Football penalties = destruction of the school.

 

[rrlbees]

Everything about how ****** up the Penn State football-centric culture is, in one tidy little sentence:

"Emmert and the NCAA are basically ruining this university. They are destroying the school."

Football penalties = destruction of the school.

Exactly.

They need to look in the mirror and realize they themselves, their belief systems, their culture, the power given to Pedterno and their leaders did this. Not Emmert, not the media, not even Sandusky in some ways.

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[Townie72]

Seriously, who cares if they are complaining. They aren't running the school. They aren't the ones that cut the deal with the NCAA.

The people in charge have agreed to sign off on substantial punishment without contesting the NCAA's authority to do so.

I don't believe in collective guilt, scorched earth, kill them all, treat it like Carthage. But that's just me. A closed circle of people made some horrible decisions. The institution is paying for it along with them. That's enough.

GoSU96 - You'll not be able to reason with these people. Their blood is up because of the horrific nature of the crime.

By the way, why is Sandusky never identified as a "homosexual" who preferred young boys? There were no young girls in any of this. I would think that "homosexual pedophile" is a more descriptive term. (Watch the fire this comment draws.)

 

[All4SU]

By the way, why is Sandusky never identified as a "homosexual" who preferred young boys? There were no young girls in any of this. I would think that "homosexual pedophile" is a more descriptive term. (Watch the fire this comment draws.)

I think it is a more accurate term. Though I'm sure that the gay community would bristle at that. Obviously Sandusky has an attraction to young males. Still, I think in his case it is not purely about the sex, but rather control, affection, and dominance that gets him off.

 

[rrlbees]

GoSU96 - You'll not be able to reason with these people. Their blood is up because of the horrific nature of the crime.

By the way, why is Sandusky never identified as a "homosexual" who preferred young boys? There were no young girls in any of this. I would think that "homosexual pedophile" is a more descriptive term. (Watch the fire this comment draws.)

Because the word pedophile does not differentiate.

As to reasoning with "these" people you nor GO can deny a single fact that has been posted by "these" people. In fact if I recall correctly, you were one of "those" people that has downplayed everything along the way, and been wrong, including saying the NCAA didn't have jurisdiction and thus would do nothing.


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[Moontan]

Just because the Death Penalty hasn't been levied yet doesn't mean that it won't. The consent decree has provisions to revisit the punishment if/as more evidence is discovered. The upcoming trials coupled with statements & actions by the BoT could well cause the NCAA executive committee to re-visit the matter.

I wish that the Death Penalty had been imposed, or thar the bowl ban and 15/year scholarship restrictions were for 7-10 years. Based on recent responses from PSU-land, the current punishment seems a bit too light to get the message across.

 

[NKR1978]

GoSU96 - You'll not be able to reason with these people. Their blood is up because of the horrific nature of the crime.

By the way, why is Sandusky never identified as a "homosexual" who preferred young boys? There were no young girls in any of this. I would think that "homosexual pedophile" is a more descriptive term. (Watch the fire this comment draws.)

Homosexuality, heterosexuality and P e d o p h I l I aare three distinct sexualities. Homosexuals are adults who have same-sex attraction to other adults. Heterosexuals are adults who are sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Pedophiles are adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children or children in the early stages of puberty. The reason why Jerry Sandusky isn't referred to as a "homosexual pedophile" isn't to placate the gay community, it is because homosexual-pedophile and heterosexual-pedophile are not proper scientific terms.

And yeah, I'm not going to apologize for looking at the PSU community as a cult and being disgusted by the fact that they apologize and and continue to apologize for a man whose inaction and disregard for the safety those boys led to at least 10 more victims, and probably more. And those same people have the audacity to act like they're somehow the victims in all this. A friend of mine, who I previously thought was sane in his condemnation of Paterno, has now drank the kool aid and thinks that everyone at PSU from the current coaches to alumni and students are now victims of the NCAA.

 

[Townie72]

Because the word pedophile does not differentiate.

As to reasoning with "these" people you nor GO can deny a single fact that has been posted by "these" people. In fact if I recall correctly, you were one of "those" people that has downplayed everything along the way, and been wrong, including saying the NCAA didn't have jurisdiction and thus would do nothing.


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Well, there's two ways to be wrong (at least). It's "would they" vs. "should they".

I didn't think the NCAA should have gotten involved because of the precedent it would set. I didn't think they would. I was wrong about the "would they".

We'll see if I was right about the "should they" a few miles down the road.

I think it was a "panicked bureaucracy" trying to get away from the heat. We'll see just how good a decision this is when the next case rolls down the pike.

It was easy for those dinosaurs and sabre tooth tigers to jump into the La Brea tar pits. It was harder for them to get out.

 

[Townie72]

Homosexuality, heterosexuality and P e d o p h I l I aare three distinct sexualities. Homosexuals are adults who have same-sex attraction to other adults. Heterosexuals are adults who are sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Pedophiles are adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children or children in the early stages of puberty. The reason why Jerry Sandusky isn't referred to as a "homosexual pedophile" isn't to placate the gay community, it is because homosexual-pedophile and heterosexual-pedophile are not proper scientific terms.

Sounds like Political Correctness to me, not science.

Let me see if I have this straight. Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex ... like Jerry Sandusky.

Homosexuals perform sex acts --- I am told --- like the one that McQeery thinks he saw.

But because his partners or victims were underage, he's not a homosexual but a pedophile. In spite of the fact that no girls were ever involved.

And you buy this??"

 

[rrlbees]

Sounds like Political Correctness to me, not science.

Let me see if I have this straight. Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex ... like Jerry Sandusky.

Homosexuals perform sex acts --- I am told --- like the one that McQeery thinks he saw.

But because his partners or victims were underage, he's not a homosexual but a pedophile. In spite of the fact that no girls were ever involved.

And you buy this??"

Does it matter at all what literal word is used to describe the rape of young boys? Really? Is that an issue?

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[All4SU]

Homosexuality, heterosexuality and P e d o p h I l I aare three distinct sexualities. Homosexuals are adults who have same-sex attraction to other adults. Heterosexuals are adults who are sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Pedophiles are adults who are sexually attracted to prepubescent children or children in the early stages of puberty. The reason why Jerry Sandusky isn't referred to as a "homosexual pedophile" isn't to placate the gay community, it is because homosexual-pedophile and heterosexual-pedophile are not proper scientific terms.

There are obviously pedophiles who prefer young girls, and pedophiles who prefer young boys. What term would you use to distinguish between the two? To me, homosexual pedophile is an accurate descriptive term for a same-sex preference pedophile. Are you suggesting something different?

 

[retro44]

considering that sandusky was allowed to use the facilities right up until the week he was arrested,yes,emmert did cave in.

think about that for a second.

all four of the stooges testified before the grand jury and no one took away his keys to his labs

 

[BlackKnight76]

Why does it matter if Sandusky's a homosexual or not? It'd be just as bad if the victims were girls.


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[rrlbees]

Why does it matter if Sandusky's a homosexual or not? It'd be just as bad if the victims were girls.


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My sentiments exactly.

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[orange79]

GoSU96 - You'll not be able to reason with these people. Their blood is up because of the horrific nature of the crime.

What do you mean, 'these people'?????

 

[NKR1978]

Sounds like Political Correctness to me, not science.

Let me see if I have this straight. Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex ... like Jerry Sandusky.

Homosexuals perform sex acts --- I am told --- like the one that McQeery thinks he saw.

But because his partners or victims were underage, he's not a homosexual but a pedophile. In spite of the fact that no girls were ever involved.

And you buy this??"

When I read a news story about a guy arrested for raping his 7 year old step daughter, I never think "he's a heterosexual pedophile." He's just a pedophile. So yes, I do buy that.

And - I know plenty of women who have experienced the act that McQueery walked in on. I don't think it's just a gay thing.

 

[Guinness]

And - I know plenty of women who have experienced the act that McQueery walked in on.

Well this thread just got interesting.