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Message: [QUOTE="elimunelson, post: 2641234, member: 615"] Yeah I was more directing the distorted angst against ALSACS who seems offended by anyone bringing up any remote positives that Shafer had. He was a bad coach. I'm with everyone on that point but I get the hire at the time and i certainly got the firing at the time. I give the university a pass on it as well b/c the trajectory was upwards when Marrone left. I have and will always disagree with the perception of the direction when Pasqualoni was fired. What we later learned was Pasqualoni was owed a few more years to see if he could work with Gross. It was such a haphazard firing for a guy who is the most successful HC in SU history win %/bowl games wise. [/QUOTE]