Extremely favorable schedule after Tennessee

[Cuse_NYC]

If we can’t beat a bad St. Joe’s team at home, Hofstra, Mercyhurst, Northeastern and then Stonehill, I mean give me a break. Then ok, a worse than usual Clemson comes in, followed by at GT, at pitt, home fsu, at bc, home vt and miami. Then finally at NC ST. I can’t think of any easier start to the season. No way in hell we should lose more than 3 or 4 of those games. That should put us at no worse than 13-7 and 4-3 in league going into NC ST. If we are worse than that, good lord help us.

 

[RedtheGOB]

If we can’t beat a bad St. Joe’s team at home, Hofstra, Mercyhurst, Northeastern and then Stonehill, I mean give me a break. Then ok, a worse than usual Clemson comes in, followed by at GT, at pitt, home fsu, at bc, home vt and miami. Then finally at NC ST. I can’t think of any easier start to the season. No way in hell we should lose more than 3 or 4 of those games. That should put us at no worse than 13-7 and 4-3 in league going into NC ST. If we are worse than that, good lord help us.

One of the interesting things I saw was that outside of Duke no other ACC team has a top 25 Kenpom Defense. We have faced off against the 2,3,9, and now 13th Defense in a row. Crazy as it sounds Tennessee's defense is the worst of the teams we played so far.

Yes our offense was miserable to watch the last 2 games but at the same time these are basically final 4 or elite 8 level defenses and defenders, it's what they do best. There are not other ACC teams outside of Duke that play even close to the level of defense as these last 4. Just a bunch of ACC defenses that are sprinkled around 30-60.

There's a world where the offense wakes up after they get done playing the insanely great defensive teams. Clemson's 44th, NCState 94th defense. Like others are saying this team will need to basically just beat everyone in the ACC.

 

[Orangezoo]

If we can’t beat a bad St. Joe’s team at home, Hofstra, Mercyhurst, Northeastern and then Stonehill, I mean give me a break. Then ok, a worse than usual Clemson comes in, followed by at GT, at pitt, home fsu, at bc, home vt and miami. Then finally at NC ST. I can’t think of any easier start to the season. No way in hell we should lose more than 3 or 4 of those games. That should put us at no worse than 13-7 and 4-3 in league going into NC ST. If we are worse than that, good lord help us.

If we can’t steal one vs Tennessee I think we are in deep trouble. This team isn’t coached well enough to beat Duke, UNC or Louisville and those are the games we have to get two out of 3 if not all 3 to get into the tournament picture.

 

[Cusefan0307]

meh. 13-7 beating no one good does us nothing. We really should be 6-1 to start the ACC.

 

[dollarbill44]

meh. 13-7 beating no one good does us nothing. We really should be 6-1 to start the ACC.

Are you not happy with 19-15 type season with 1-1 in the ACCT?
Boy, are you greedy?

 

[Niastri]

If we can’t beat a bad St. Joe’s team at home, Hofstra, Mercyhurst, Northeastern and then Stonehill, I mean give me a break. Then ok, a worse than usual Clemson comes in, followed by at GT, at pitt, home fsu, at bc, home vt and miami. Then finally at NC ST. I can’t think of any easier start to the season. No way in hell we should lose more than 3 or 4 of those games. That should put us at no worse than 13-7 and 4-3 in league going into NC ST. If we are worse than that, good lord help us.

The schedule is part of the reason I think Vegas wasn't a Catastrophe. Even if we lose to Tennessee and start 4-4, if we then run off a 10-2 streak before NC State we could be ranked... We certainly will be if we win them all, and we'll be favored even in most of those league games.

 

[OCESIP]

If we can’t beat a bad St. Joe’s team at home, Hofstra, Mercyhurst, Northeastern and then Stonehill, I mean give me a break. Then ok, a worse than usual Clemson comes in, followed by at GT, at pitt, home fsu, at bc, home vt and miami. Then finally at NC ST. I can’t think of any easier start to the season. No way in hell we should lose more than 3 or 4 of those games. That should put us at no worse than 13-7 and 4-3 in league going into NC ST. If we are worse than that, good lord help us.

The back end of the schedule is tough. Winning 5 out of the 11 would be an accomplishment.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

The back end of the schedule is tough. Winning 5 out of the 11 would be an accomplishment.

Yeah, there are almost 4 auto losses in a row

 

[RedtheGOB]

Yeah, there are almost 4 auto losses in a row

Are people as worried as much about UNC, who we get twice and Virginia as we have been in past years though? They don't feel like their past teams. I get Duke and Louisville on the road.

Just feels like we want alot of ACC competing around the top 25 but ideally not just 2 teams that go 17-1 in ACC play. Gotta have 5-6 teams that separate from the rest of the ACC and do well in this SEC challenge.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Are people as worried as much about UNC, who we get twice and Virginia as we have been in past years though? They don't feel like their past teams. I get Duke and Louisville on the road.

Just feels like we want alot of ACC competing around the top 25 but ideally not just 2 teams that go 17-1 in ACC play. Gotta have 5-6 teams that separate from the rest of the ACC and do well in this SEC challenge.

I’m worried about any1 other than maybe BC under Autry

 

[djorange1989]

The schedule is part of the reason I think Vegas wasn't a Catastrophe. Even if we lose to Tennessee and start 4-4, if we then run off a 10-2 streak before NC State we could be ranked... We certainly will be if we win them all, and we'll be favored even in most of those league games.

We won’t be ranked until we beat some good teams on top of that hypothetical scenario

 

[TommyA13]

As others have said this isn’t a good thing, as we don’t have many chances at all to win games that will get people to put us into the tournament picture. Have to beat Duke, UNC, Louisville and I’m not sure this team is capable of that.

 

[baggerbob]

As others have said this isn’t a good thing, as we don’t have many chances at all to win games that will get people to put us into the tournament picture. Have to beat Duke, UNC, Louisville and I’m not sure this team is capable of that.

It looks like JJ is going to be able to say in his career he helped get 2 coaches fired. One at Notre Dame, and the other at Syracuse.

 

[Surfan06001]

We won’t be ranked until we beat some good teams on top of that hypothetical scenario

I would be VERY surprised if 14-6 got us ranked heading into the NC State game.

None of those games between Tenn and NC state would’ve been particularly “good” losses.

 

[Niastri]

I would be VERY surprised if 14-6 got us ranked heading into the NC State game.

None of those games between Tenn and NC state would’ve been particularly “good” losses.

I am just estimating that nobody is going to drop us for conference road game losses. But you might be right.

 

[Cappy3]

I am just estimating that nobody is going to drop us for conference road game losses. But you might be right.

Even if we were ranked by the voters, our NET wouldn’t be helped much by those wins. And 1-2 losses would crucify us.

 

[Sbucketball]

We won’t be ranked until we beat some good teams on top of that hypothetical scenario

Syracuse has been in the gutter for years and needed a coming out party to get national respect and a ranking this year -- the type of week where you beat 2-3 elite teams back-to-back. Unfortunately the opportunity for that was in Vegas.

 

[Marsh01]

This is all irrelevant unless the ACC shows up in this challenge. The conference as a whole is the reason why we dont get many teams into the NCAA tournament. If the conference is in the top 3 overall at the end of the season it will help our chances. If not we would basically have to go 15-3 in the ACC to even sniff the tourney.

 

[upperdeck]

Voters don't really look at big picture most of the time. Big wins more.

St Johns is ranked with wins over Bucknell, Quin, Baylor, and Will/Mary. and 3 losses to ranked teams. Pretty much what we have done.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

This is all irrelevant unless the ACC shows up in this challenge. The conference as a whole is the reason why we dont get many teams into the NCAA tournament. If the conference is in the top 3 overall at the end of the season it will help our chances. If not we would basically have to go 15-3 in the ACC to even sniff the tourney.

If we won 2 of our big 4 games and had a say 12-6 or even 11-7 ACC season, we would be in. They wouldn’t Leave us out with 8 or 9 loses overall. That’s what we were hoping for. UNC got in with 14 losses last season.

 

[Niastri]

Voters don't really look at big picture most of the time. Big wins more.

St Johns is ranked with wins over Bucknell, Quin, Baylor, and Will/Mary. and 3 losses to ranked teams. Pretty much what we have done.

There is also a certain inertia to rankings. St Johns started the season ranked, so won't drop much from losing to a similarly ranked team. We started unranked, so will need to impress voters in order to increase our ranking.

The rankings are loosely based on reality, an much more based on narratives. If you suddenly had Dookie V on every talk show screaming about how great Red is and how Syracuse is about to turn a corner with our diaper dandies, suddenly our next pedestrian win is enough to move the needle. The ranking systems all have severe weaknesses.

If we could get computer rankings that actually use well considered criteria, I would be all for them making the decisions, not the people whose job is to sell ads on websites.

But instead we wound up with the NET, where running up the score against cupcakes is more important than playing a good schedule. A truly well constructed computer ranking system shouldn't be able to be "gamed" like the RPI and NET are able to be gamed. But here we are.

 

[Fly Rodder]

There is also a certain inertia to rankings. St Johns started the season ranked, so won't drop much from losing to a similarly ranked team. We started unranked, so will need to impress voters in order to increase our ranking.

The rankings are loosely based on reality, an much more based on narratives. If you suddenly had Dookie V on every talk show screaming about how great Red is and how Syracuse is about to turn a corner with our diaper dandies, suddenly our next pedestrian win is enough to move the needle. The ranking systems all have severe weaknesses.

If we could get computer rankings that actually use well considered criteria, I would be all for them making the decisions, not the people whose job is to sell ads on websites.

But instead we wound up with the NET, where running up the score against cupcakes is more important than playing a good schedule. A truly well constructed computer ranking system shouldn't be able to be "gamed" like the RPI and NET are able to be gamed. But here we are.

How about we win some games against good teams instead of being blown out?

That'd be a nice first step instead of whining about rankings.

 

[Surfan06001]

There is also a certain inertia to rankings. St Johns started the season ranked, so won't drop much from losing to a similarly ranked team. We started unranked, so will need to impress voters in order to increase our ranking.

The rankings are loosely based on reality, an much more based on narratives. If you suddenly had Dookie V on every talk show screaming about how great Red is and how Syracuse is about to turn a corner with our diaper dandies, suddenly our next pedestrian win is enough to move the needle. The ranking systems all have severe weaknesses.

If we could get computer rankings that actually use well considered criteria, I would be all for them making the decisions, not the people whose job is to sell ads on websites.

But instead we wound up with the NET, where running up the score against cupcakes is more important than playing a good schedule. A truly well constructed computer ranking system shouldn't be able to be "gamed" like the RPI and NET are able to be gamed. But here we are.

Just rip off KenPom. That’s what I’d do.

 

[Surfan06001]

How about we win some games against good teams instead of being blown out?

That'd be a nice first step instead of whining about rankings.

I want to whine tho

 

[Scooch]

This is all irrelevant unless the ACC shows up in this challenge. The conference as a whole is the reason why we dont get many teams into the NCAA tournament. If the conference is in the top 3 overall at the end of the season it will help our chances. If not we would basically have to go 15-3 in the ACC to even sniff the tourney.

Yep. The ACC isn’t particularly good and we’re a meaningful part of why.