fab who?

[Millhouse]

i don't know if we're lucky, jb is a genius, or what but what are the odds that christmas would emerge as a good college center at the exact time we needed him?

can't help but hope that bad scoop came out to play here and there in the games where they could overcome it. going into a tournament i worry what are the odds of good scoop for 6 straight games. well now it's just 4 straight games. and while wisconsin is good, they're not some terrifying offensive team that will get us into a too haphazard gunner mode.

if you forget that fab melo ever existed and tell your november self that rakeem christmas would play center the way he has in late season games where he got minutes... you'd still feel pretty good about this year

we all got lured into disaster mode based on what we saw from the quick hook era christmas. that quick hook doesn't do anyone any favors.

christmas already had success against cincy sans melo.
UNC has no PG.
everyone's praying for kentucky to crack but at least we get to delay facing them as long as possible (if we're fortunate enough to be in that position)

yeah yeah one game at a time, don't get caught looking ahead.. this would totally apply to me if i were a player.

 

[CusefanATL]

fab melo is a better center than rakeem christmas.

rakeem played solid in the 2nd half on sat. not good in the 1st half.

wisconsin is a solid, butler like team. ohio state can be very good (with a top c). cincy beat us.

 

[TexanMark]

We have to get by the Sweet 16 first...Wisconsin is just the type of team that has beaten us before. I could see us losing 54-48. They are Notre Dame-Butler but better.

 

[orangenirvana]

Well he is a McDonald's All-American. Not like he's some diamond-in-the-rough the staff found somewhere in Tulsa.

But yeah I've always liked Rak, he just needed a true opportunity. I like his competitiveness. He's being very vocal on defense, which is very encouraging.

Coach says he's too nice, but I don't know if that's the case. I just think he's tentative due to his inexperience...which will dissipate with every game. Hopefully there's a few more.

We'll also see more blocked shots from him the more the game slows down for him.

 

[OrangeMojo]

i don't know if we're lucky, jb is a genius, or what but what are the odds that christmas would emerge as a good college center at the exact time we needed him?

can't help but hope that bad scoop came out to play here and there in the games where they could overcome it. going into a tournament i worry what are the odds of good scoop for 6 straight games. well now it's just 4 straight games. and while wisconsin is good, they're not some terrifying offensive team that will get us into a too haphazard gunner mode.

if you forget that fab melo ever existed and tell your november self that rakeem christmas would play center the way he has in late season games where he got minutes... you'd still feel pretty good about this year

we all got lured into disaster mode based on what we saw from the quick hook era christmas. that quick hook doesn't do anyone any favors.

christmas already had success against cincy sans melo.
UNC has no PG.
everyone's praying for kentucky to crack but at least we get to delay facing them as long as possible (if we're fortunate enough to be in that position)

yeah yeah one game at a time, don't get caught looking ahead.. this would totally apply to me if i were a player.

agree with this for the most part - but there is no way I am looking past a sweet sixteen game until SU actually wins another sweet sixteen game and breaks what seems like a curse since the 2003 run. hell, even in 2003 SU's toughest game was the sweet sixteen game against a 10th seeded Auburn. I have nightmares about the sweet sixteen

 

[CusefanATL]

agree with this for the most part - but there is no way I am looking past a sweet sixteen game until SU actually wins another sweet sixteen game and breaks what seems like a curse since the 2003 run. hell, even in 2003 SU's toughest game was the sweet sixteen game against a 10th seeded Auburn. I have nightmares about the sweet sixteen

Auburn was a tough game... but they did hit FOUR 3's and a 2 in the final minute. including a meaningless 3 at the buzzer.

It was a tough game, but really 4 of the other 5 were just as difficult.

 

[Chip]

Auburn was a tough game... but they did hit FOUR 3's and a 2 in the final minute. including a meaningless 3 at the buzzer.

It was a tough game, but really 4 of the other 5 were just as difficult.

Yeah, I was in Vegas for that game. I remember everyone going crazy because it looked like Auburn had no chance of covering. Until that final barrage, and final 3 which made them cover.

 

[HakAttack]

Well he is a McDonald's All-American. Not like he's some diamond-in-the-rough the staff found somewhere in Tulsa.

That about sums it up. We're all scared how this team would fare without Melo, while forgetting that all of the teams left would KILL to have a Micky D's AA replace their starting ineligible center at the beginning of the Tournament. Rak's better than we think he is.

 

[AirForceOrange]

i don't know if we're lucky, jb is a genius, or what but what are the odds that christmas would emerge as a good college center at the exact time we needed him?

can't help but hope that bad scoop came out to play here and there in the games where they could overcome it. going into a tournament i worry what are the odds of good scoop for 6 straight games. well now it's just 4 straight games. and while wisconsin is good, they're not some terrifying offensive team that will get us into a too haphazard gunner mode.

if you forget that fab melo ever existed and tell your november self that rakeem christmas would play center the way he has in late season games where he got minutes... you'd still feel pretty good about this year

we all got lured into disaster mode based on what we saw from the quick hook era christmas. that quick hook doesn't do anyone any favors.

christmas already had success against cincy sans melo.
UNC has no PG.
everyone's praying for kentucky to crack but at least we get to delay facing them as long as possible (if we're fortunate enough to be in that position)

yeah yeah one game at a time, don't get caught looking ahead.. this would totally apply to me if i were a player.

Ummmm...are you okay? This was actually a semi-positive post about SU basketball, Boeheim, etc. from you.

This is more proof that the Mayans could possibly be correct that this year the world ends.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

I love how Boeheim acts surprised that Rak is tentative... he got yanked every time he made a mistake or someone near him makes a mistake on defense. Anyone would be gun shy getting pulled after 44 seconds every game.

 

[Millhouse]

Ummmm...are you okay? This was actually a semi-positive post about SU basketball, Boeheim, etc. from you.

This is more proof that the Mayans could possibly be correct that this year the world ends.

i still think JB should hang it up. it's not because I think he's a dummy or anything.

 

[orangefan13]

This post is wrong in so many ideas. It brings good points but its wrong.

Dion and CJ are shooting 32 and 30 percent without Melo.
With Melo they are shooting 47 and 49%
CJ is averaging 5.1 points without Melo and 8.3 with him.
That says it all right there.

Melo plays in the low post on offense which allows others around him to play differently. Rak plays in the high post with a slight occasional roll to the low post.

Rak is a good shot blocker but its block or the shot goes in with him. Melo alters tons of shots to miss.

What Rak does do better then Melo is grab boards as a center.

I still have my fingers crossed that Melo could be back though. We could Really use him. Thets not get arrogant or ignorant we are better with him. Melo is light years better then Keita.

I wouldn't even mind Melo coming off the bench if he comes back. As a game momentum changer.
Its about what people bring to the table not about what you have without them.

 

[Millhouse]

This post is wrong in so many ideas. It brings good points but its wrong.

Dion and CJ are shooting 32 and 30 percent without Melo.
With Melo they are shooting 47 and 49%
That says it all right there.

Melo plays in the low post on offense which allows others around him to play differently. Rak plays in the high post with a slight occasional roll to the low post.

Rak is a good shot blocker but its block or the shot goes in with him. Melo alters tons of shots to miss.

What Rak does do better then Melo is grab boards as a center.

I still have my fingers crossed that Melo could be back though. We could Really use him. Thets not get arrogant or ignorant we are better with him. Melo is light years better then Keita.

cj fair shot 47% the first time fab was out

waiters is shooting 50% the 2nd time fab was out

you're overthinking it. waiters was in a slump (it's not like he was lighting it up the games surrounding melo's first departure) and fair is clearly not himself.

i think most people would think it's goofy to pin fair's struggles on christmas

 

[orangefan13]

cj fair shot 47% the first time fab was out

waiters is shooting 50% the 2nd time fab was out

i think most people would think it's goofy to pin fair's struggles on christmas

CJ shot 1-3 against Notre Dame the first game Fab was out. 30 percent.
Fab plays offense in the low post hes 7'0 and he bumps that opens things up for Dion and CJ.
We are better offensively with Melo then Rak or Keita.
Fab is a better shot alternator then Rak and that is a bigger stat then blocked shots.
UNCA got aleast 4-5 chippies inside that Melo would not have given them.

Its what they bring to the table not how you fair without a player.

 

[EastCoast2]

This post is wrong in so many ideas. It brings good points but its wrong.

Dion and CJ are shooting 32 and 30 percent without Melo.
With Melo they are shooting 47 and 49%
CJ is averaging 5.1 points without Melo and 8.3 with him.
That says it all right there.

Melo plays in the low post on offense which allows others around him to play differently. Rak plays in the high post with a slight occasional roll to the low post.

Rak is a good shot blocker but its block or the shot goes in with him. Melo alters tons of shots to miss.

What Rak does do better then Melo is grab boards as a center.

I still have my fingers crossed that Melo could be back though. We could Really use him. Thets not get arrogant or ignorant we are better with him. Melo is light years better then Keita.

I wouldn't even mind Melo coming off the bench if he comes back. As a game momentum changer.
Its about what people bring to the table not about what you have without them.

small sample size. How many of the games with Melo were against cupcakes when stats were inflated, FG% and PPG are up of course. Without Melo we have played 5 tough games.

 

[CorduroyG]

auburn was not our toughest game in 03. id have to check the play by play to be sure, but i think we had a fairly comfortable lead the entire game. auburn got ridiculously hot at the end to make the final score much closer than it was. just as a fan watching that game i never felt like we were losing. oklahoma st, texas and kansas were tougher games.

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[Chip]

CJ shot 1-3 against Notre Dame the first game Fab was out. 30 percent.
.

A 3 shot sample size?

And I'm not sure how you did on your last fractions test, but sneak in a calculator if they let you take it again.

 

[orangefan13]

Acting like we are as good or better without Melo is plain dumb!

We went to OT against WVU. We got slaughtered by ND. Cincy played like crap down the stretch and didn't get the ball to gates inside.
We beat a UNCA team and a 9 seed that was playing wihtout their Senior leading rebounder and PF. Thets be real here.
Melos D alone saved a few games for us like the one @UL and we probably don't realize it.

CJ is averaging 6.8 shots a game with Fab probably not as many.
The last 2 games he took 10 and was 1-7 and 0-3.

With Melo he went through a 4 game stretch of.
6-10 2-10 6-8 5-12 6-8 against
ST Johns, Gtown, Conn @UL, @ Rutgers.

Once again.

Fab is atleast 5-6 altered misses better a game then Rak.
CJ and Dion are atleast 31/2-5 points better toghether with Melo.
Scoop and KJO get into the lane better off the dribble with Melo. Thank God KJO can post up some without him that won the WV game for us.
Melo is 7'0 for tip ins and put backs.
Melo is a better FT shooter. He as on a FT tear to end the year.

 

[Millhouse]

CJ shot 1-3 against Notre Dame the first game Fab was out. 30 percent.
Fab plays offense in the low post hes 7'0 and he bumps that opens things up for Dion and CJ.
We are better offensively with Melo then Rak or Keita.
Fab is a better shot alternator then Rak and that is a bigger stat then blocked shots.
UNCA got aleast 4-5 chippies inside that Melo would not have given them.

Its what they bring to the table not how you fair without a player.

who the hell talks in percents when someone is one for 3. and why would you round down if you insist on it?

I took out CJ fairs recent games because he's obviously sick. You take out the 2nd and 3rd no-fab games for what reason again?

aye yi yi

ps i never said christmas was better than melo unless you're going to take me way too seriously over a post title

 

[orangefan13]

CJ averages 5.1 shots without Melo and 6.8 with.
Thats 1.5 more attempts and better shooting.

And WVU, ND, Cincy, UNCA and Kstate without their starting PF aren't amoung the best interior defenses out there.
there good but no Uconn or Louisivlle who we played 5 times together.

Take out the WVU game(and they have a slow center for defense)
and CJ is 5-21 less then 25% in the other 4 games.

Im on TO with this thread, but if you honestly feel we are better with Rak then Melo I respectively disagree outside of Raks Rebounding that is.

 

[Millhouse]

CJ averages 5.1 shots without Melo and 6.8 with.
Thats 1.5 more attempts and better shooting.

And WVU, ND, Cincy, UNCA and Kstate without their starting PF aren't amoung the best interior defenses out there.
there good but no Uconn or Louisivlle who we played 5 times together.

Im done, on TO with this thread, but if you honestly feel we are better with Rak then Melo I respectively feel your wrong outside of Raks Rebounding that is.

"i'm done with this thread just as soon as i take on this strawman"

cj fair averages fewer shots because he's sick and isn't playing many minutes

your interior defense caveat might apply to a lot of the rest of the schedule

 

[orangefan13]

CJ is shooting 25% 4 games without Melo.
5-21

And he shot 3-4 against WVU with Kevin Jones on KJO all game and that big slow turkish oaf in the middle for no recovery defense.
We had to go to KJO posting up down the stretch with All American Kevin Jones on him instead.

 

[kirbivore]

Yeah, I was in Vegas for that game. I remember everyone going crazy because it looked like Auburn had no chance of covering. Until that final barrage, and final 3 which made them cover.

The only game in the 2003 title run SU didn't cover
Manhattan covered as favorite
OK St. covered as favorite
Auburn didn't cover as favorite
Oklahoma, Texas, and Kansas won straight up as underdogs.

 

[Millhouse]

CJ is shooting 25% 4 games without Melo.
5-21

And he shot 3-4 against WVU with Kevin Jones on KJO all game and that big slow turkish oaf in the middle for no recovery defense.
We had to go to KJO posting up down the stretch with All American Kevin Jones on him instead.

i thought you were done

every game cj shoots well without melo is because of bad defense
every game cj doesn't shoot well without melo is because of no melo
every game cj shoots well with melo is because of melo
you haven't cherry picked reasons yet for games where cj doesn't shoot well with melo

got it.