Fair & Turnovers

[shandeezy7]

Just read that CJ already has 44 turnovers on the year, averaging 3 per game. At that pace, he'll be near 100 turnovers by the end of the season. He had 63 all of last season and no one else on the team currently has more than 17 turnovers.

Do we think this is really an issue of him trying to force things too much? His strength isn't really as a perimeter iso player and it seems to me like that's when the majority of his turnovers take place. Although I suppose someone on this team needs to play that role and perhaps we need to take the turnovers in stride as he does also convert some of those iso plays.

 

[edowd26]

If someone could get him to stop. I would be grateful. You can see it coming too like a slow death. I wish he would kick out on occasion but he goes man on a mission when hes decided to attack the rim.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Didn't CJ show some improvement against Miami? His role this year is going to include more turnovers but my hope is that as he adjusts he will get better.

Speaking of positive adjustments, no one seemed to comment on the sweet move he made where he finished with his right hand. As the announcer mentioned if he perfects that, he will be unstoppable.

 

[SoBristol]

Play safe (like Cooney) = few turn-overs. Try to make aggressive moves for inside shots = a few more turn-overs. Would be good for Fair to cut it down some, but aggressive plays (for example, Andy Rautins trying to make great passes) come with higher risks.

 

[shandeezy7]

Play safe (like Cooney) = few turn-overs. Try to make aggressive moves for inside shots = a few more turn-overs. Would be good for Fair to cut it down some, but aggressive plays (for example, Andy Rautins trying to make great passes) come with higher risks.

This is true, but there is a difference between aggressive and smart aggressive. Trying to get to the rim from the baseline while double-teamed or playing 1 on 1 basketball against a zone is probably not smart aggressive, especially when CJ isn't the strongest guy with the ball. I guess I'm not really blaming CJ 100% for these turnovers, as I realize that he is our go-to guy on offense and really the only guy we can throw the ball to and ask him to create his own shot, so maybe the turnovers just come with the territory.

 

[sutomcat]

Just read that CJ already has 44 turnovers on the year, averaging 3 per game. At that pace, he'll be near 100 turnovers by the end of the season. He had 63 all of last season and no one else on the team currently has more than 17 turnovers.

Do we think this is really an issue of him trying to force things too much? His strength isn't really as a perimeter iso player and it seems to me like that's when the majority of his turnovers take place. Although I suppose someone on this team needs to play that role and perhaps we need to take the turnovers in stride as he does also convert some of those iso plays.

I would guess 80% of his turnovers come as a result of him getting double teamed with the ball and getting stripped/travelling/dribbling the ball off his foot.

IMO, if he can learn to feel the double coming and find the open guy in these situations (instead of trying to force things), he would really raise the level of his game and become a legit AA level player. It is his biggest test for his senior year and one of the keys that will determine how far this team can go. Looks like he is working on it and I think he has made some strides in recent weeks.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Too many TO's, IMO.
When he makes a quick move either shooting or driving to the hoop, he gets good results.
Its when he holds the ball that he gets stripped or doubled, leading to a turnover.
He's gotten better at catch & shoot, but iso's seem to give him problems.
JB keeps running them for him though, so maybe he's hoping CJ gets better at that by season's end.

 

[moqui]

for his career, he has been a shotmaker, not a playmaker. JB is asking him to be the latter for the first time, and he is learning on the job. hasn't cost us so far and should pay dividends come February and beyond.

 

[Dave85]

Maybe he needs to dribble a little lower and faster on his drive. It seems he gets stripped from someone slapping down on the ball.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I would guess 80% of his turnovers come as a result of him getting double teamed with the ball and getting stripped/travelling/dribbling the ball off his foot.

IMO, if he can learn to feel the double coming and find the open guy in these situations (instead of trying to force things), he would really raise the level of his game and become a legit AA level player. It is his biggest test for his senior year and one of the keys that will determine how far this team can go. Looks like he is working on it and I think he has made some strides in recent weeks.

I've been banging this drum all year. He is getting better at seeing the open man, and luckily the open man is getting better (Rak specifically in many cases) of actually catching the ball. I think he, like our guards in the past, got too accustomed to the big man dropping the pass so they decided to forgo that pass. With Rak showing some flashes, maybe we can continue to reverse those trends.

 

[thebigeast44]

He has been a turnover machine this year. Doing things he was never asked to do before. His handle is not a strength of his game. Fortunately for us, he has many other strengths

 

[jdubs30]

Well, when your guards barely turn it over it makes a little easier to live with it. If MCW and CJ were combining for 7 turnovers a game I'd be worried.

 

[Col. Bleep]

At least he's getting a lot of touches.

 

[jncuse]

I hope he is not pulling a Kris Joseph. Joseph got more sloppy in his ball handling in his senior season.

I would get nervous every time Joesph would do that one drive where he would sort of let the ball free behind him, then make a move and try to pick the ball up again.

 

[moqui]

I hope he is not pulling a Kris Joseph. Joseph got more sloppy in his ball handling in his senior season.

I would get nervous every time Joesph would do that one drive where he would sort of let the ball free behind him, then make a move and try to pick the ball up again.

KJ had more turnovers as a senior because he was asked to be a playmaker - more handling will equal more turnovers

but the curious fact is that he actually had the lowest turnover rate in his entire career - he went from 20.2 to 18.2 to 17.6 in his freshman to junior years, then dropped to 13.1 as a senior.

FWIW, CJ is on the opposite trajectory - he dropped from his freshman to sophomore season, but has increased his turnover percentage the last two seasons, up to 19.2 this year.