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Final AP (20) / Coaches (22) Polls for Jan 21

baggerbob said:
Get back to back to back seasons, and we will start showing up in top 15 preseason polls, then Fran can go from there.
Get that Tennessee win to start the year, find a way to win 7 more in the regular season.
Don't have any bad loses, win your bowl game.
Then after going 9-4 against that schedule, bring in a good class, and you can get a preseason top 15.
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Look we were preseason ranked in 2019 and we all saw how that turned out. So while it would be nice to start in the polls since it’s easier to move up with success if you start there, this should hopefully help Fran motivating the guys too prove to the College Football world that this past season success wasn’t just because of McCord and our seniors, but the program as an entity improving.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Absolute joke. And I hate that OSU won last night because now the chatter is how much better Howard is and clearly McCord was holding them back from winning it all blah blah. So annoying
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Nah - any objective viewer could see Howard was just a game manager. He didn't have to do much aside from handing off, throwing screens and some play action to receivers who were wide open.
 
David321 said:
I agree but I don't think we will be. I think the writers and coaches will look at our key departures and chalk last season up to lightning in a bottle.
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I think it's a fair take, let's see how we hold up without KM.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Absolute joke. And I hate that OSU won last night because now the chatter is how much better Howard is and clearly McCord was holding them back from winning it all blah blah. So annoying
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They had a $20M payroll. Jeremiah Smith would be the #1 overall pick this year, potentially, if he went out.

Things worked out for everyone. OSU got their chip. McCord had a heckuva year and will be drafted. Wins all around.
 
MikeSU02 said:
They had a $20M payroll. Jeremiah Smith would be the #1 overall pick this year, potentially, if he went out.

Things worked out for everyone. OSU got their chip. McCord had a heckuva year and will be drafted. Wins all around.
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Yup.

tOSU still lost the battle to a crap Michigan team, even with their current star QB.
But won the war, in getting their Natty.

Kyle lit the Cuse and ACC record books on fire here.

Win/Win.


Will Howard is certainly more mobile/running threat than Kyle will ever be, but -
Kyle is by far the better passer.
 
I have no big complaints. Maybe should have been ahead of Miami in the ap. At the same time, I was a little surprised that we were ranked ahead of Missouri. More disappointed with the coaches poll. Placed behind Miami and Army. Army played a very weak schedule losing to the only two decent teams on their schedule. I would have ranked Navy ahead of Army.
 
721Comstock said:
Yup.

tOSU still lost the battle to a crap Michigan team, even with their current star QB.
But won the war, in getting their Natty.

Kyle lit the Cuse and ACC record books on fire here.

Win/Win.


Will Howard is certainly more mobile/running threat than Kyle will ever be, but -
Kyle is by far the better passer.
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Yep and Howard had thrown 800 passes in his career before coming to OSU, Kyle had thrown 58 before he became their starter in 2023. Kyle played better against a champion Michigan, on the road, than Howard played, at home, against a mediocre Michigan. The 4 team vs 12 team is why Howard even had a chance to win a title and Kyle didn’t. But don’t tell OSU Kyle haters any of that
 
721Comstock said:
Illinois Frauding Illini and the Cawks being ahead of us is a freaking joke.

You could also make the case that we should be ahead of The Ewe, given we beat them head-to-head.

But still - Fran can now say he won 10 games AND also finished in the Top 20 in his 1st season.
We'll take it.

Grudgingly, but we'll take it.
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Who are the hawks, I figured out the others. I’ll be putting out a “Comstock Slang Dictionary “ for next season .
 
Other than being fans, I don't know why people are complaining. All seems to make sense to me looking at records and SOS (Syracuse at 59) and I don't see any bias. Nobody who had a worse SOS than us was ranked ahead of us with the same amount of losses. BYU had a worse SOS than us at 66 but only had 2 losses. And its not like we were blowing anybody out.

We beat Miami head to head but that is just 1 game. They had the same record as us but they had a harder schedule than us and their QB didn't play the second half of the bowl and that was one of their L's. South Carolina had the same number of losses as us before the playoff and ended up with one more L but they ended up with the 12th ranked SOS. Illinois had the same record as us but had a SOS of 43.

Ranked top #20 in year one is a thing of beauty.

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If we beat stanford and lose to a good team, we're ranked higher. Every time we eeked our way in, we stubbed our toe and caused pollsters ro lose confidence in us until we beat Miami. Every team in the bottom 10 or so of the polls can argue they're better than some teams that are ranked higher and then there are arguments to the contrary.

Good job, Fran and company.
 
CbusCuse said:
Other than being fans, I don't know why people are complaining. All seems to make sense to me looking at records and SOS (Syracuse at 59) and I don't see any bias. Nobody who had a worse SOS than us was ranked ahead of us with the same amount of losses. BYU had a worse SOS than us at 66 but only had 2 losses. And its not like we were blowing anybody out.

We beat Miami head to head with the same record but they had a harder schedule than us and their QB didn't play the second half of the bowl that was one of their L's. South Carolina had the same number of losses as us before the playoff and ended up with one more L but they ended up with the 12 ranked SOS. Illinois had the same record as us but had a SOS of 43.

Ranked top #20 in year one is a thing of beauty.

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SOS does little to show how good you might be as team.

2 teams are equally 10-15th

one plays OC games vs 50-54
one plays OC games vs 80-84

SOS will say one team is much better but the eye test wont

they both should win all the OC games

much the same as BBALL does it.. once you get beyond about the top 40-50 teams everything else in SOS doesnt really tell you much
 
upperdeck said:
SOS does little to show how good you might be as team.

2 teams are equally 10-15th

one plays OC games vs 50-54
one plays OC games vs 80-84

SOS will say one team is much better but the eye test wont

they both should win all the OC games

much the same as BBALL does it.. once you get beyond about the top 40-50 teams everything else in SOS doesnt really tell you much
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SOS alone does little to show you who is better but when coupled with the teams record and scoring differential it means quite a bit. Are you saying two teams are ranked between 10-15 so are pretty equal and then just giving us a comparison of the out of conference SOS's only? What about the in conference game schedules as they obviously make a difference.

Which specific team should we be ahead of?
 
No I am saying that SOS is used in ways that really dont tell you who is better because SOS of teams also adds on SOS of those schedules as well.

The variance in schedules in a small sample with a short season causes some results that just cascade.

the top 10-12 teams probably proved themselves better. That does not mean by year end there are a better team.
 
Enjoy the Miami win and finally having an offense for the Dome. It was Dinos D and BC Stan and Pitt aren't good losses it means your middle pack of a bad conference. Great season but the ACC deserves no love.
 
MikeSU02 said:
They had a $20M payroll. Jeremiah Smith would be the #1 overall pick this year, potentially, if he went out.

Things worked out for everyone. OSU got their chip. McCord had a heckuva year and will be drafted. Wins all around.
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It did work out for both schools. The system at SU was much better suited for McCord and Howard was the combo runner/passer OSU needed to put them over the top. Not sure where that "chatter" is coming from as most of the OSU fans I know haven't even mentioned Kyle since he transferred. It was always a square peg in a round hole situation where the swap helped both QBs.
 
Bulldog04 said:
Absolute joke. And I hate that OSU won last night because now the chatter is how much better Howard is and clearly McCord was holding them back from winning it all blah blah. So annoying
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The question is not, is OSU better with Howard. The question is, would Howard have been able to put SU on his back the way McCord did. I have great faith in Nixon’s ability to gameplan to an individual’s unique abilities. But I still thing McCord made SU better more than Howard would have.
 

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