Final football chat of the season with Stephen Bailey... Thursday at 8 pm...

[cto]

Learn what Stephen has to say about recruits, possible coaching changes, all the other post=season, off-season stuff you want to discuss.

These chats have been very informative all season. Let's have a good turn=out for the final one.

Use drop down chat room icon in upper left hand part of this page .. to get to chat room.

 

[Crusty]

Great. Should be an interesting one.

 

[llandz]

I will just be getting off an airplane in Newark NJ. Will miss this one. Can someone post the highlights or a quick synopsis on the football forum?

 

[TexanMark]

I will just be getting off an airplane in Newark NJ. Will miss this one. Can someone post the highlights or a quick synopsis on the football forum?

You really want one of us to do that?

 

[CuseLegacy]

Great. Should be an interesting one.

LOL. That's exactly what Bailey said.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Just an update for all that are interested the chat is going to be tomorrow, Thursday, at 8:00.

 

[007]

Learn what Stephen has to say about recruits, possible coaching changes, all the other post=season, off-season stuff you want to discuss.

These chats have been very informative all season. Let's have a good turn=out for the final one.

Use drop down chat room icon in upper left hand part of this page .. to get to chat room.

Thanks. Stephen is always good in chat.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Just a reminder of the chat tonight with Bailey at 8:00. Chatroom is open.

 

[Chris02M]

almost forgot

 

[Crusty]

Good chat tonight.
Stephen said that Shafer was working under some unspecified financial constraints with respect to the staff. (This might answer a lot of questions.)

He also said that he thinks next year will be more run heavy. Said he would be "really surprised" if Hunt was not the starter.

 

[rrlbees]

Good chat tonight. Stephen said that Shafer was working under some unspecified financial constraints with respect to the staff. (This might answer a lot of questions.) He also said that he thinks next year will be more run heavy. Said he would be "really surprised" if Hunt was not the starter.

The unspecified financial constraints would be the budget.

 

[cuseguy]

Good chat tonight. Stephen said that Shafer was working under some unspecified financial constraints with respect to the staff. (This might answer a lot of questions.) He also said that he thinks next year will be more run heavy. Said he would be "really surprised" if Hunt was not the starter.

Run heavy?

Who's blocking...and who's running?

Financial constraints?

Blows my mind to hear this.

How do they expect to compete in the ACC with money issues?

Not good.

 

[TheCusian]

Run heavy? Who's blocking...and who's running? Financial constraints? Blows my mind to hear this. How do they expect to compete in the ACC with money issues? Not good.

I don't know anything about the budget - but I'd say this.

When the staff was hired things were more tenuous. Hadn't gotten a check from the ACC yet, were deciding to build the IPF, and owed the old BE the payout amount.

Those are still the constraints I know of - I'm sure their are many more - and all of its complicated by the new king on the hill, looking at the AD budget carefully.

 

[Chip]

The unspecified financial constraints would be the budget.

How does that budget compare to the staff budget with Big East money. That would be my question.

Did we overpay then, and now with ACC money, it's considered within our means?

Are we like BC when it comes to paying staff? (except making worse choices).

 

[rrlbees]

How does that budget compare to the staff budget with Big East money. That would be my question. Did we overpay then, and now with ACC money, it's considered within our means? Are we like BC when it comes to paying staff? (except making worse choices).

I think we would be near the bottom of the ACC. I know there was a bump when marrone came in but don't know about since

 

[sutomcat]

I don't know anything about the budget - but I'd say this.

When the staff was hired things were more tenuous. Hadn't gotten a check from the ACC yet, were deciding to build the IPF, and owed the old BE the payout amount.

Those are still the constraints I know of - I'm sure their are many more - and all of its complicated by the new king on the hill, looking at the AD budget carefully.

It sounds like SU is thinking about letting the athletic department run independently, at least from a financial perspective, so the department is revenue neutral.

If they do that, all that is needed is a competent athletic director and all should be well with the SU athletic programs for the foreseeable future.

To get back on topic, Steven did another nice job with the chat. The man knows his SU football.

 

[Crusty]

The unspecified financial constraints would be the budget.

Of course, but how much is allocated to coaches salaries and what are the implications going forward?

 

[chakka3421]

The unspecified financial constraints would be the budget.

Pathetic!

It sounds like SU is thinking about letting the athletic department run independently, at least from a financial perspective, so the department is revenue neutral.

If they do that, all that is needed is a competent athletic director and all should be well with the SU athletic programs for the foreseeable future.

To get back on topic, Steven did another nice job with the chat. The man knows his SU football.

As it should be run like a wholly owned subsidiary - the Chancellor should set outcomes and only be involved in the hiring & firing of the AD and perhaps the financial assistant AD.

NCAA Compliance & Performance on the field is one thing but this is a business - operational revenue generation, donor level revenue generation and bottom line results is also primary. I'm sick of all of the cronyism (those in the know know what I'm talking about) going on at SUAD (money could be better spent like on assistant football coaching staff) but that is on the chancellor who is responsible for getting the right person hired for the AD top spot in the first place.

 

[storange]

Zak was right...time to hit the FCS. Natural rivlaries with Albany, and Colgate.......I'm kidding............sort of. Right now is one of the low points of my long SU football love affair ( going back about 45 years )

 

[Crusty]

I just posted excerpt and a link to the budget report Stephen referenced.
http://syracusefan.com/threads/syracuse-budget-report-and-athletics.83891/

A few things appear to be the case.

1. The SBC is not all that friendly to the AD, the move to the ACC or the future requirements to remain competitive.
2. The committee views the AD as a revenue loser.
3. The committee calls in to question the beneficial effect of the ACC on Southeast enrollment.

I get the feeling that many of them would just as well have the AD closed.

I am starting to think that there is no way at the moment that we would pay $2.5 or $3 million for a name coach if one fell into our lap. I am also starting to think that the only way for Shafer to stay with his budget was to hire his friends and guys he trusts. It would certainly explain giving the OC job to Lester - he had few options and better the devil you know.

College enrollment is expected to drop nationally over the next decade and schools like Syracuse that are heavily dependent on tuition revenue have big challenges ahead.

I am a believer that things are never as bad or good as we think. However, it would appear that until we get the BE exit fees and some other things under control, we are going to be constrained in what we can accomplish.

 

[TheCusian]

I just posted excerpt and a link to the budget report Stephen referenced.
http://syracusefan.com/threads/syracuse-budget-report-and-athletics.83891/

A few things appear to be the case.

1. The SBC is not all that friendly to the AD, the move to the ACC or the future requirements to remain competitive.
2. The committee views the AD as a revenue loser.
3. The committee calls in to question the beneficial effect of the ACC on Southeast enrollment.

I get the feeling that many of them would just as well have the AD closed.

I am starting to think that there is no way at the moment that we would pay $2.5 or $2 million for a name coach if one fell into our lap. I am also starting to think that the only way for Shafer to stay with his budget was to hire his friends and guys he trusts. It would certainly explain giving the OC job to Lester - he had few opinions and better the devil you know.

College enrollment is expected to drop nationally over the next decade and schools like Syracuse that are heavily dependent on tuition revenue have big challenges ahead.

I am a believer that things are never as bad or good as we think. However, it would appear that until we get the BE exit fees and some other things under control, we are going to be constrained in what we can accomplish.

Good post.

I agree on the hiring of friends. Better to deal with inexperienced guys with upside - that would be really fun to work with. Vs. shots in the dark.

 

[longislandcuse]

Well... this thread was a debbie downer to my Friday morning. It blows my mind to hear some of this stuff.

 

[Crusty]

Well... this thread was a debbie downer to my Friday morning. It blows my mind to hear some of this stuff.

Sorry.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I just posted excerpt and a link to the budget report Stephen referenced.
http://syracusefan.com/threads/syracuse-budget-report-and-athletics.83891/

A few things appear to be the case.

1. The SBC is not all that friendly to the AD, the move to the ACC or the future requirements to remain competitive.
2. The committee views the AD as a revenue loser.
3. The committee calls in to question the beneficial effect of the ACC on Southeast enrollment.

I get the feeling that many of them would just as well have the AD closed.

I am starting to think that there is no way at the moment that we would pay $2.5 or $3 million for a name coach if one fell into our lap. I am also starting to think that the only way for Shafer to stay with his budget was to hire his friends and guys he trusts. It would certainly explain giving the OC job to Lester - he had few options and better the devil you know.

College enrollment is expected to drop nationally over the next decade and schools like Syracuse that are heavily dependent on tuition revenue have big challenges ahead.

I am a believer that things are never as bad or good as we think. However, it would appear that until we get the BE exit fees and some other things under control, we are going to be constrained in what we can accomplish.

I disagree that this is all bad for SU and I think tomcat's point is very accurate. With the right person running the SUAD, you can have fiscal responsibility as well as continued (and in football's case improved) support. The committee can't see the actual SUAD budget numbers, which leads to the distrust. We can all read what money is coming from the ACC, so when the AD says not only is that money gone, but it didn't cover all our expenses, people are going to be concerned.

 

[longislandcuse]

Sorry.

Great information, it's just scary to hear that when we're in a big boy conference and with the way CFB is going in general. Really makes you wonder if we'll ever be nationally relevant again with that type of approach.