Florida 3PT Shooting

[Rocco]

I know they haven't played anyone besides OSU, but if they continue their hot shooting from beyond the arc, hopefully JB switches a little M2M into the mix. If we can keep the zone active and long UF will be taking alot of contested 3's, but I have a feeling that we will have breakdowns in the zone. UF has some good guards.

 

[Rossco123]

Preseason is for breakdowns.

 

[dollarbill44]

I'm not too concerned. We deal with good 3 pt teams a lot and they typically don't have success against our zone. What usually kills us is when a mediocre 3 pt shooter goes off. For example, if the only Louisville games you watched were against SU, you would think Kyle Kuric is the next Pete Maravich.

 

[Orangemen]

I'm not too concerned. We deal with good 3 pt teams a lot and they typically don't have success against our zone. What usually kills us is when a mediocre 3 pt shooter goes off. For example, if the only Louisville games you watched were against SU, you would think Kyle Kuric is the next Pete Maravich.

That's an interesting post,

It seems to me that it's not just that good 3 point shooting teams beat us, it's teams that can cause zone breakdowns, and have a good 3 pt shooting day in the process.

ND is historically a good 3 pt shooting team I believe, and we seem to always beat them.

Pitt is not known for being a 3 pt shooting team, but they know how to cause havoc with the zone, so they have much more success.

I'm thinking (and clearly hoping), that Fl ends up in the ND category.

 

[Ozcuse]

Hazell from Seton Hall always seemed to light us up. Marquette always shoots well enough against us. I know this isn't the same old SU but I'm a bit worried.

 

[Orangemen]

Hazell from Seton Hall always seemed to light us up. Marquette always shoots well enough against us. I know this isn't the same old SU but I'm a bit worried.

How often do those teams beat us?

SH got us last year in a game where the team quit, and SH went off.

Marq got us in their house in the middle of turmoil week, plus their lucky the refs don't know the rules NCAA game.

Typically, we have a lot of success against those teams.

 

[Knicks411]

Kuric is a career 42% 3 point shooter. If that's mediocre, then damn.

Wasn't there a 2-3 year stretch where ND killed us? (In 07, they beat us 103-91 at the dome, and 89-83 at MSG). Next year, they beat us 94-87.

Pretty good other than that, but I feel like they killed us with 3's then.

We usually defend the 3 point line very well, but anything can happen in one game.

 

[texascpa]

We played M2M right off the bat against EMU and they hit 3 out of 5 3-pointers.

 

[StealthTurkey]

Usually only the BAD 3pt shooters are hot against the zone, see Seton Hall last year LOL.

I'm not afraid of the good shooting teams. Generally, they are so baffled by the zone, nothing carries over. Most (out of conference, of course) teams can go a whole season without seeing it.

 

[cuseclappy]

it wouldnt surprise me if we started m2m to try and throw them off a bit since theyll be expecting zone and see if we have any luck with that

 

[StealthTurkey]

I'm not too concerned. We deal with good 3 pt teams a lot and they typically don't have success against our zone. What usually kills us is when a mediocre 3 pt shooter goes off. For example, if the only Louisville games you watched were against SU, you would think Kyle Kuric is the next Pete Maravich.

Should have read your post before I replied. Our posts are cousins.

 

[dollarbill44]

Kuric is a career 42% 3 point shooter. If that's mediocre, then damn.

Wasn't there a 2-3 year stretch where ND killed us? (In 07, they beat us 103-91 at the dome, and 89-83 at MSG). Next year, they beat us 94-87.

Pretty good other than that, but I feel like they killed us with 3's then.

We usually defend the 3 point line very well, but anything can happen in one game.

So, maybe it was a bit harsh to call him mediocre, but he clearly has his best game against us. He's shot 69% from 3pt land against us, including scoring 22 points as a sophomore, when he averaged 4.0 ppg and was 18/50 from 3pt, and 23 points last year, when he averaged 10.8 ppg. There are other examples out there that are probably more appropriate, but he was the first to come to mind.

 

[SkanSU]

JB is going to play some M2M but they have 3 pretty good guards. My concern is can our guards keep up with them for a prolonged period of time. I think you will find JB extending the zone to keep them out of reasonable shooting distance and then relying on the bigs to block off the penetration. They only have the single Center and Fab, Keita, and Rak should be mauling him with our guards running at him to draw fouls. If he gets in foul trouble Fl has no bench and SU should easily control the middle ... Hey,JB are you reading this???!!!

 

[Rocco]

it wouldnt surprise me if we started m2m to try and throw them off a bit since theyll be expecting zone and see if we have any luck with that

this is what I am hoping for. our start with zone and switch to man, then back to zone. Anything to keep them off guard.

if they aren't shooting well, and cant penetrate the zone obviously no need to switch. but i just dont think that happens.

 

[Rocco]

JB is going to play some M2M but they have 3 pretty good guards. My concern is can our guards keep up with them for a prolonged period of time. I think you will find JB extending the zone to keep them out of reasonable shooting distance and then relying on the bigs to block off the penetration. They only have the single Center and Fab, Keita, and Rak should be mauling him with our guards running at him to draw fouls. If he gets in foul trouble Fl has no bench and SU should easily control the middle ... Hey,JB are you reading this???!!!

good post. the extended zone will put alot of pressure on our bigs to win the battles underneath and stay out of foul trouble. keita is picking up fouls like jeremy mcneil.

 

[Knicks411]

So, maybe it was a bit harsh to call him mediocre, but he clearly has his best game against us. He's shot 69% from 3pt land against us, including scoring 22 points as a sophomore, when he averaged 4.0 ppg and was 18/50 from 3pt, and 23 points last year, when he averaged 10.8 ppg. There are other examples out there that are probably more appropriate, but he was the first to come to mind.

No doubt he had his best game against us, but he's still a very good 3 point shooter. All I'm saying.

 

[pfister1]

JB is going to play some M2M but they have 3 pretty good guards. My concern is can our guards keep up with them for a prolonged period of time. I think you will find JB extending the zone to keep them out of reasonable shooting distance and then relying on the bigs to block off the penetration. They only have the single Center and Fab, Keita, and Rak should be mauling him with our guards running at him to draw fouls. If he gets in foul trouble Fl has no bench and SU should easily control the middle ... Hey,JB are you reading this???!!!

I don't think we'll see any man against them. The matchups don't really favor us trying to cover them man to man.

 

[Orangello]

Our guard's ability to stay with Beal and Boynton and keep them from driving the lane with the quick outlet pass to the corner, will be key. They are pretty fast

I think this one is going to be close.

 

[Oakland]

I know they haven't played anyone besides OSU, but if they continue their hot shooting from beyond the arc, hopefully JB switches a little M2M into the mix. If we can keep the zone active and long UF will be taking alot of contested 3's, but I have a feeling that we will have breakdowns in the zone. UF has some good guards.

I suspect that they great 3pt shooting has all been against MTM defenses.

 

[Flacusian]

Florida is avg. 90.8 pts/ game Syracuse is avg. 83.1 pts/ game
Florida 42.9% from the 3 Syracuse 37.7% from the 3
Florida 48.8 FG % Syracuse 48.9 FG%
Florida 62% FT Syracuse 63.2% FT
Florida 47.8 Rebounds/game (2nd nationally)
Syracuse 43 Rebounds/game (59th nationally)
Florida 9.3 Steals/game (37th nationally)
Syracuse 12.9 Steals/ game (1st nationally)
Florida 18.3 assists/game Syracuse 18.0 assists/game
Florida 11.5 turnovers/game Syracuse 12.1 turnovers/game

Statistically speaking both teams are very evenly matched. I don't see Florida scoring 90.8 pts against our defense and it will be encumbent upon us to make sure Florida doesn't get good looks from the 3. IMHO this is really the 1st big test of our team and we will know a lot more after Friday night than we do at this point.

 

[SkanSU]

Wow...where are the rebounds coming from for Florida? I got it.
Will Yequette averaging 6.8 r/g and 18.8 minutes
Patric Young 7.7 r/g and 24.8 minutes
Murphy 4.0 r/g out for the season
Beal 6.5 r/g!!!

Wow ... a 6'3 guard is like almost 2nd in rebounding

They lose 4/game... and they really haven't played anyone with the height and length that SU has in the back court

 

[Townie72]

I think this myth about M2M being the only defense one could play against a hot outside shooting team is a vestigial thing from the 1960's.

The SU zone is not a 1960's zone. The players are longer, the zone is very active and it can be expended out to 20' easily. That's why good outside shooting teams don't do all that well against us.

Occassionally a team gets hot --- or one or two guys get hot shooting 3's from downtown and beats us. It's a helpless feeling, I know. But M2M isn't a 100% solution. Guys like the unconcious and conscience-less Jeremy Hazel are impossible to stop.

There is NO DEFENSE against a team that is shooting 3's and making them from 22' to 25' from the basket. A M2M defender that goes that far out is going to see a lot of guards blow by them. Challenging these usually low percentage shots frequently ends up with the player taking three foul shots.

SU's commitment to a zone defense is a strength not a weakness. And my opinion is --- although there may be stats to support or disprove this --- is that those shots that were going in in the first half aren't going in at the same rate in the second half.

A team hits 4 3-pointers against SU in the first half and a goodly percentage are squirming in their seats and yelling for M2M.

If you don't like zone defense, I really wonder why you bother to watch SU.

 

[SkanSU]

That was a good post until the last sentence. I believe that most of the posters here appreciate the zone. We have seen more M2M this year than, I believe, in any other year. There is nothing wrong with switching defense to throw off the other team ... that is not to say any of us are M2M advocates over the zone. If they are shooting over the zone ... throw their tempo off by going to M2M and then switch back to zone ... extending it.

 

[Townie72]

That was a good post until the last sentence. I believe that most of the posters here appreciate the zone. We have seen more M2M this year than, I believe, in any other year. There is nothing wrong with switching defense to throw off the other team ... that is not to say any of us are M2M advocates over the zone. If they are shooting over the zone ... throw their tempo off by going to M2M and then switch back to zone ... extending it.

Again, I don't see M2m as being inherently better than the SU zone when it comes to stopping outside shooting. I know commentators beat to death the idea that a team playing zone has to switch to M2M. And that may still be true with poor zones.

Switching from zone to M2M may have other affects like getting players more involved in the game ... like pressure defenses do.

Since almost everyone plays M2M, SU switching to M2M brings us into a defensive alighment that teams see all the time. Their offenses are designed to play against M2M. They practice against M2M.

Against the zone, teams seem to stand around alot.

What hurts the zone isn't hot outside shooting, but very good passing teams that have #3's or 4's that can get into the foul line area, catch the ball and make a 15' shot.

 

[Upstate]

the "dreaded" bradley beal shoots 28% from three.