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Message: [QUOTE="TrickySU, post: 768185, member: 2749"] I don't know what original point you're talking about. This was your first post in this thread: "I'm not saying Clemson is some football powerhouse, and I don't think we have earned our top 5 ranking this year, but let's be real: You haven't been relevant for years. We have at least been in the conversation, much like GT, Miami, FSU, VT have been." And it was preceded by you saying that Syracuse between 1993-2003 wasn't much better than 2004-2012. You couldn't be more wrong. It was like night and day. So please get your facts straight before posting. Yes Syracuse is known more as a basketball school. We all know that. It's nothing new. The title of the thread is "For ACC/Clemson Fans Questioning Syracuse's Tradition" not anything to do with whether Syracuse is a football or a basketball school. OrangeDW said it best: [/QUOTE]