For KingOttoIII: 50 QBs better than Nassib

[fanfanclubclub]

KingOttoIII contends that "if anyone can't see that Nassib is a top 50 QB, then they are morons and should stop posting." KingOttoIII then argues that, since Nassib is so excellent, the scheme and the coaches are the problem, and only an Andrew Luck type talent could succeed given the coaching.

Here are 50 QBs who are better than Nassib right now:

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford, 176 Rating, ~2300 total yards, 25 total TDs
2. Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 159 Rating, ~3100 total yards, 28 total TDs
3. Matt Barkley, USC, 152 Rating, ~2300 total yards, 23 total TDs
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State, 154 Rating, ~2700 total yards, 22 total TDs
5. Nick Foles, Arizona, 150 Rating, ~2900 total yards, 20 total TDs
6. Case Keenan, Houston, 194 Rating, ~3200 total yards, 32 total TDs
7. Bryn Renner, North Carolina, 172 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 20 total TDs
8. Russell Wilson, Wisconsin, 197 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 22 total TDs,
9. Robert Griffith III, Baylor, 191 Rating, ~2700 total yards, 26 total TDs
10. Tajh Boyd, Clemson, 155 Rating, ~2800 total yards, 29 total TDs

Compare to: Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, 137 Rating, ~1550 total yards, 17 total TDs,
Nassib is clearly not top 10, no one is crazy enough to make that argument.
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11. Kellen Moore, Boise State, 181 Rating, ~2000 total yards, 24 total TDs
12. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M, 144 Rating, ~2500 total yards, 22 total TDs
13. Jordan Jefferson, LSU, 223 Rating, ~250 total yards, 4 total TDs
14. Aaron Murray, Georgia, 144 Rating, ~1800 total yards, 20 total TDs
15. Tyler Bray, Tennessee, 165 Rating, ~1500 total yards, 15 total TDs
16. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, 146 Rating, ~2300 total yards, 17 total TDs
17. Darron Thomas, Oregon, 163 Rating, ~1500 total yards, 20 total TDs
18. E.J. Manual, Florida State, 155 Rating, ~1800 total yards, 16 total TDs
19. Denard Robinson, Michigan, 142 Rating, ~2050 total yards, 21 total TDs
20. Jarrett Lee, LSU, 158 Rating, ~1300 total yards, 13 total TDs

Compare to: Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, 137 Rating, ~1550 total yards, 17 total TDs,
Nassib is clearly not top 20. These guys are all college legends or first day picks
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21. Brock Osweiler, Arizona State, 146 Rating, ~2300 total yards, 19 total TDs
22. Casey Pachall, TCU, 162 Rating, ~1700 total yards, 20 total TDs
23. Jacory Harris, Miami, 162 Rating, ~1600 total yards, 15 total TDs
24. James Vandenberg, Iowa, 155 Rating, ~2000 total yards, 20 total TDs
25. Seth Doege, Texas Tech, 147 Rating, ~2800 total yards, 25 total TDs
26. A.J. McCarron, Alabama, 150 Rating, ~1650 total yards, 12 total TDs
27. Nathan Scheelhaase, Illinois, 148 Rating, ~2100 total yards, 17 total TDs
28. Keith Price, Washington, 163 Rating, ~2000 total yards, 23 total TDs
29. Dan Persa, Northwestern, 161 Rating, ~1050 total yards, 10 total TDs
30. Geno Smith, West Virginia, 149 Rating, ~2700 total yards, 21 total TDs

Compare to: Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, 137 Rating, ~1550 total yards, 17 total TDs:
Nassib is clearly not top 30, these guys are all much more productive and higher rated by scouts (Persa was injured).
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31. Zach Collares, Cincinnati, 148 Rating, ~1800 total yards, 20 total TDs
32. Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi, 140 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 19 total TDs
33. Marshall Lobbestael, Washington State, 145 Rating, ~2050 total yards, 17 total TDs
34. Tevin Washington, Georgia Tech, 167 Rating, ~1600 total yards, 20 total TDs
35. James Franklin, Missouri, 138 Rating, ~2450 total yards, 23 total TDs
36. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State, 137 Rating, ~1650 total yards, 11 total TDs
37, G.J. Kinne, Tulsa, 150 Rating, ~1800 total yards, 17 total TDs
38. Tommy Rees, Notre Dame, 139 Rating, ~1900 total yards, 13 total TDs
39. Tanner Price, Wake Forrest, 141 Rating, ~1900 total yards, 15 total TDs
40. Alex Carder, Western Michigan, 147 Rating, ~2500 total yards, 21 total TDs

Compare to: Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, 137 Rating, ~1550 total yards, 17 total TDs,
Nassib is clearly not top 40, and this is really the point of the post. These guys are all more productive than Nassib AND higher rated by scouts: with many of these guys being projected as mid round picks.

If KingOttoIII and others were right about Nassib being a very good QB, "definitely" top 50, then Nassib would be better than some of these quarterbacks. Nassib would either have better production or better grades from scouts: but he has neither. It's extremely hard to argue, using stats or scouting reports, that Nassib is better than Davis, Carder, or Kinne, or any of the more famous players running larger programs (Mizzou, ND, and Mich State have played extremely difficult schedules).
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41. Collin Klein, Kansas State, 126 Rating, ~1700 total yards, 24 total TDs
42. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, 134 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 17 total TDs
43. Blaine Guatier, Louisiana Lafayette, 160 Rating, ~1900 total yards, 15 total TDs
44. Chandler Harnish, Northern Illinois, 144 Rating, ~2400 total yards, 20 total TDs
45. John Brantley, Florida, 141 Rating, ~1100 total yards, 11 total TDs
46. Tyler Tettleton, Ohio, 147 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 22 total TDs
47. Matt Christian, New Mexico State, 147 Rating, ~1500 total yards, 16 total TDs
48. Mike Glennon, North Carolina State, 138 Rating, ~1800 total yards, 19 total TDs
49. B.J. Daniels, South Florida, 141 Rating, ~2200 total yards, 15 total TDs
50. Jordan Webb, Kansas, 147 Rating, ~1450 total yards, 13 total TDs

Ryan Nassib, Syracuse, 137 Rating, ~1550 total yards, 17 total TDs:
Nassib is not top 50, but he is close. I would rate him in the high 60s, low 70s or so, choosing to focus on his West Virginia/Kansas State games.

A reasonable argument could be made that Nassib is secretly better than some of the QBs on this list (Webb, Guatier, Tettleton maybe), but that the system is holding him back. Or someone could reasonably prefer Ryan's arm over the legs of Klein or Daniels. Most coaches and analysts, however, would take all of the above QBs over Nassib, and therefore, no one can reasonable argue that Nassib is definitely a top 50 QB. Obviously, KingOttoIII is incorrect to say that all posters who doubt that Nassib is a top 50 QB are morons who ought to stop posting.

. . . and all this is without mentioning Ryan Lindley, Derek Carr, Taylor Martinez, Dominique Davis, Dayne Crist, or anyone from Texas, Penn State, Ohio State, Auburn and many other football factories who almost certainly have a better QB than Nassib.

Posters who note that Nassib is a borderline top 75 QB are not Nassib haters, they are merely making reasonable observations on the progress of the program. Many of the arguments on this board occur because long time posters say that they "don't need stats" to tell them who is good, who is the problem, and then they start calling everyone else a moron.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

I think he's Top 50...just my opinion. A few of the guys on your list play for less than major programs (with the resulting less than major competition). Also, I notice you show TD's but not INT's...was there a reason for that? Was it a mistake or did you not want to compare Nassib's favorable TD/INT ratio to your list?

By the way, your stats for Nassib are wrong...he has 1685 yards

Also, where do you come off saying Cousins at #36 is more productive than Nassib? Or Lee at #20. Or McCarron at #26? Or Persa at #29? Or Brantley at Florida? In terms of pure passing, Nassib has been more productive than all of them in terms of yards and TD's .And while Robinson at UM is by far the better overall package, he has a lot fewer passing yards than Nassib and has thrown as many picks as TD's.
Nassib is struggling...let me repeat, Nassib is struggling (largely with the long ball) but you can't pick and choose how you present your data, especially when some of it contradicts the point you are attempting to make.

 

[kingottoiii]

LOL. You know absolutely nothing about football. One of the worst posters on the internet. And that includes RU fans. You post doesn't even deserve a rebuttal. :crazy:

 

[texascpa]

What is your criteria for a what makes Nassib Top 50 or not? Rating? Yards? TD? A Combination of some or all? Some point system you contrived? Trying to understand how, say, Kirk Cousins is considered a better QB than Nassib.

 

[wfschrec]

Garrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson are "legends" or first day draft choices all of a sudden? Do you even watch college games other than SU? Never see either of them going on day 1 of any mock draft. You insist you are an NFL guy and then make knuckleheaded statements like that? You never had much credibility to begin with and this pretty much removes any you had left.

I'll gladly take Nassib over BJ Daniels, Glennon of NC State, Webb of Kansas and Christian of NM St. You cannot be serious with this post.

 

[Cuseman78]

Another post from fanfanclubclub and I must ask the admins again, are we at all close to getting the Ignore button? A stats nerd who simply copy and pasted a list of QBs from a website and arbitrarily placed Nassib outside the top 50 based on absolutely nothing. By the way, I spot checked a few of your numbers and many are inaccurate (i.e Tommy Rees).

And BJ Daniels over Ryan Nassib? Thats laughable. Something tells me if the roles were reversed and BJ was our QB and Nassib Qb'ed for USF, you'd tell us Nassib was better. Another horrible post.

 

[fanfanclubclub]

Garrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson are "legends" or first day draft choices all of a sudden? Do you even watch college games other than SU? Never see either of them going on day 1 of any mock draft. You insist you are an NFL guy and then make knuckleheaded statements like that? You never had much credibility to begin with and this pretty much removes any you had left.

I'll gladly take Nassib over BJ Daniels, Glennon of NC State, Webb of Kansas and Christian of NM St. You cannot be serious with this post.

Jordan Jefferson is high on the Denver Broncos draft board (same grade as Landry, Barkley, and Foles on Xander's board). Elway and Xanders know QBs pretty well. Jefferson could very well be a 3rd round pick. Lee also projects as a likely first day pick, but not this season.

Daniels, Glennon, Webb, and Christian have all out performed Nassib this season, and three of those QBs have played tougher schedules. Mike Glennon was the #5 ranked QB in his class, and he has put up a better Rating, more yards, and more TDs, against better competition: but you'd gladly take Nassib, and I cannot even be serious for suggesting otherwise. Hm..

What is your criteria for a what makes Nassib Top 50 or not? Rating? Yards? TD? A Combination of some or all? Some point system you contrived? Trying to understand how, say, Kirk Cousins is considered a better QB than Nassib.

Yes, those are the criteria. Cousins has already played Nebraska, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan this season, and he has still outperformed Nassib by quite a bit. In addition, Cousins has a career track record that is much better than Nassib's, and he grades out as more talented with pretty much every scout.

LOL. You know absolutely nothing about football. One of the worst posters on the internet. And that includes RU fans. You post doesn't even deserve a rebuttal. :crazy:

Don't wimp out, just tell us where you'd rank Nassib. If you can put him in the top 35, please do. If not, then I guess you'd have to concede it is reasonable for someone to question Nassib's top 50 status. I'm very curious where you'd rank him.

 

[fanfanclubclub]

Another post from fanfanclubclub and I must ask the admins again, are we at all close to getting the Ignore button? A stats nerd who simply copy and pasted a list of QBs from a website and arbitrarily placed Nassib outside the top 50 based on absolutely nothing. By the way, I spot checked a few of your numbers and many are inaccurate (i.e Tommy Rees).

And BJ Daniels over Ryan Nassib? Thats laughable. Something tells me if the roles were reversed and BJ was our QB and Nassib Qb'ed for USF, you'd tell us Nassib was better. Another horrible post.

Whoops, I underestimated Rees by two TDs [now fixed]. This isn't a copy and pasted list.

 

[Cuseman78]

By the way, you have Nick Foles ahead of Kellen Moore on your little list. You have a QB from a 2 win team higher on your list than a QB who is a Heisman trophy candidate. Bravo, well done. This was clearly your most moronic post yet. You are clearly a stats nerd who has no idea who any of these QBs play for. Again, terrible, terrible post.

And its Case Keenum, not Keenan (not that I would expect you to know this)