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Message: [QUOTE="newmexicuse, post: 2414615, member: 57"] Personally, I would say all the players you cited had about average athleticism. Pretty much any D1 player can dunk these days, so that as a standard for athleticism means almost nothing. Though i am not sure Scoop or gerry could do that. Gerry had a quicker first step and was quicker on his jump and release as compared to Trevor. Scoop was simply so smooth. It is hard to gauge exactly how athletic "smooth" players are. I think it is fair to say none of those players in terms of athleticism could be compared to Stevie or Hak. or Rony. I should have said "lack of above average athleticism" in my post, which is what I actually meant. [/QUOTE]