newmexicuse
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Two of our most polarizing players in terms of love/hate with the fanbase.
Frank and trevor......
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Don't forget early Scoop
I remember Autry being a bit of a disappointment early on, given how highly rated he was coming in. He really came up big his senior year, though. Hart...I never really warmed up to. Great defensively but he didn't really ever make the leap offensively.
Hart and Autry stats were very close. In harts jr season he averaged 13.9 pts a game. In Autry's jr year he averaged 11.2 pts a game. In their sr year, there reversed the numbers with Hart at 11.9 pts per game and Autry with 13.2. Very close for both guys.
I thought Autry was closer to 17 his senior year.
So did I. And he did. I just checked another spot and they have him at 16.7 the first place i looked had his 4 years and had 13 What
I beat you to it. They did get Hart's numbers right.
Cooney was frustrating because the coaching staff never had an option to cut back his minutes. His usage rate was too high. Kid never did anything off the court to be unlikable.
Frank is lucky JB is a lot more forgiving than others.
Cooney doesn’t deserve this comp.
Frank is lucky JB is a lot more forgiving than others.
Cooney doesn’t deserve this comp.
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Cooney never did anything to deserve all the criticism he received including some by yours truly. He always worked hard, hustled, and conducted himself with class. He was just given a role by the staff above his talent level.
That isn't true at all.
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What could Cooney do that Frank can't do far better?
I've never known a Syracuse player to get more kid-gloves treatment by the majority of the fan base. Ah, he had an affable grandmother and he didn't humiliate himself in the classroom or in the community? Dynamite.
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How soon they forget... Craig Forth got more undeserved abuse here than any player within my memory. He was our solid starting center for four years (including the 2003 NC team where his contributions were never properly appreciated). He's now a high school principal, but it took him nearly 10 years to return to SU ... because of the abuse he got from the fan base.
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Trevor definitely protected the ball better, he was as good a defender, and a better shooter.
Just because frank has better athleticism it does not mean that he does everything better.
And that is not to mention attitude. Trevor had an impeccable attitude.
Cooney has a much better shot than Howard. Howard is allowed to shoot basically uncontested shots. Cooney was forced to shoot highly contested shots. Check their free throw shooting stats. who would you rather on the line at the end of games? How many blue chip games has Howard played against top tier teams? Cooney was a better defender at the top of the zone. Howard is getting better. Let's see where he ends up.
I think all teams fans do that.
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Maybe neck down. And not inside the rib cage.
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A guy behind me used to yell all the time for Craig to get a $#_&*&_# rebound. Finally, after one time, I had to point out that Forth was not even on the court.
Doesn't mean he couldn't get a rebound, does it?
