Fredricks looks very good. Wilson, not so much

[OmahaCuse]

Mahoney. Would like to see 22 get more carries rest of the year he has a knack for finding holes and fights for yardage

 

[alphaorange]

Mahoney. Would like to see 22 get more carries rest of the year he has a knack for finding holes and fights for yardage

He had the most carries and the lowest YPC...he's not a savior

 

[Chip]

It's a tough environment to really judge anyone in. But what I saw from Wilson was a guy who had trouble getting in signals from the sideline, is only able to lock onto one receiver, and doesn't have the natural sense what to do if that receiver is covered. Dungey is great at avoiding a loss. Wilson is not. His panic move is whatever type of intentional grounding he can think of at the time. Throwing a dart at his OL's legs was really bad. He got away with another one.

I'd go with Mahoney. Not saying it makes a difference, but I just think he gives you a better chance to move the ball.

Hopefully all moot and Dungey is fine. But the way he seems to take hits (versus, say, true freshman Jalen Hurts who ran and ran and ran and ran last night into big fast LSU defenders), the odds are that we're going to see more of the backup.

One other disappointing aspect of yesterday's game is that if Babers wanted to avoid the shutout, why not throw some jump balls on those 3rd and longs? See if Ishmael or ET can come down with it as they've shown the ability to do. Or maybe draw PI. Worst case it's an INT, which is basically a punt.

 

[OrangePA]

It's a tough environment to really judge anyone in. But what I saw from Wilson was a guy who had trouble getting in signals from the sideline, is only able to lock onto one receiver, and doesn't have the natural sense what to do if that receiver is covered. Dungey is great at avoiding a loss. Wilson is not. His panic move is whatever type of intentional grounding he can think of at the time. Throwing a dart at his OL's legs was really bad. He got away with another one.

I'd go with Mahoney. Not saying it makes a difference, but I just think he gives you a better chance to move the ball.

Hopefully all moot and Dungey is fine. But the way he seems to take hits (versus, say, true freshman Jalen Hurts who ran and ran and ran and ran last night into big fast LSU defenders), the odds are that we're going to see more of the backup.

One other disappointing aspect of yesterday's game is that if Babers wanted to avoid the shutout, why not throw some jump balls on those 3rd and longs? See if Ishmael or ET can come down with it as they've shown the ability to do. Or maybe draw PI. Worst case it's an INT, which is basically a punt.

I have never seen a QB take as many head shots as Dungey.

I am always on edge when the guy runs the ball.

 

[dan7800]

Last year Mahoney kept quite a few games close. The problem is that we were running a different O last year. Mahoney is DEFINITELY not a passer.

 

[Chip]

I have never seen a QB take as many head shots as Dungey.

I am always on edge when the guy runs the ball.

Based on the look in his eyes when you watched that hit in slow motion, I think he's on edge too. But instinct once a play starts has him running if things break down.

I don't know what it is. We watched McNabb run the option for 4 years, on a concrete home surface, and never miss a start.

Dungey's neck/head just seems to snap more than any QB I've ever seen.

 

[kuethstheman]

Based on the look in his eyes when you watched that hit in slow motion, I think he's on edge too. But instinct once a play starts has him running if things break down.

I don't know what it is. We watched McNabb run the option for 4 years, on a concrete home surface, and never miss a start.

Dungey's neck/head just seems to snap more than any QB I've ever seen.

I think Dungey froze when he saw the hit coming, maybe because of how many bad hits he's taken. If not for him freezing, I think he might have been able to avoid the hit at least enough to reduce the severity. He froze before being hit a bunch of times against Wake.

 

[LIBALL]

He had the most carries and the lowest YPC...he's not a savior

Who had the most carries?

 

[OrangePA]

Based on the look in his eyes when you watched that hit in slow motion, I think he's on edge too. But instinct once a play starts has him running if things break down.

I don't know what it is. We watched McNabb run the option for 4 years, on a concrete home surface, and never miss a start.

Dungey's neck/head just seems to snap more than any QB I've ever seen.

McNabb never got hurt.

Even Nunes, who took some shots, never got hurt.

 

[Deuga]

Last year Mahoney kept quite a few games close. The problem is that we were running a different O last year. Mahoney is DEFINITELY not a passer.

Mahoney was only a 46% passer last year, though he did have 7 TDs/ 2 INTs. Maybe he's a more accurate passer in Dino's system. In any case my recollection is that he seems more comfortable with the pace of the offense than Wilson.

One advantage of not playing Mahoney yesterday, NC State will have very little video on him running Dino's offense. Hopefully Dungey has a fast recovery.

 

[007]

Mahoney was only a 46% passer last year, though he did have 7 TDs/ 2 INTs. Maybe he's a more accurate passer in Dino's system. In any case my recollection is that he seems more comfortable with the pace of the offense than Wilson.

One advantage of not playing Mahoney yesterday, NC State will have very little video on him running Dino's offense. Hopefully Dungey has a fast recovery.

I don't think it matters much how much tape NCS has, or would have had, on Mahoney or Wilson. They will, and should, prep as if Dungey will be playing.

And if Dungey can't go on Saturday... NCS dodges the bullet. Dungey is pretty much the only bullet we have.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

He had the most carries and the lowest YPC...he's not a savior

It's hard to do anything when the D is in the backfield when the ball is handed off! I think he looked pretty explosive when he had a chance.

 

[Millhouse]

I have never seen a QB take as many head shots as Dungey.

I am always on edge when the guy runs the ball.

When we're old we are going to be ashamed of loving this sport. Watching people smash their brains was more fun when I was ignorant

 

[Millhouse]

I barely watched but Mahoney is better. So many of these passes are easy and we need a runner. I don't know what people see in practice, Wilson must look glorious throwing against air.

 

[PAcuse]

Take out Mo Neal's longest run he averaged 2.5 ypg, take out Jordan Fredericks longest run and he averaged 1ypg. Yeah, Fredericks sure is the answer.
The answer is clear don't play the number 3 team in the nation that has a defense where a ton of kids will be playing Sunday.....Photobucket burning couch

 

[Finwad32]

I have never seen a QB take as many head shots as Dungey.

I am always on edge when the guy runs the ball.

I understand the concern, but, Cam Newton's taken more in 3 weeks than Dungey's taken in 2 years. Everybody has become hyper-sensitive to head shots since TV coverage has gotten so much better.

This has been happening since football was invented. Protection, safety and teaching is the safest it has ever been. A QB is going to get hit in the head from time to time, and just because their helmet gets hit doesn't always mean they got a concussion.

I have zero doubt that ED's injury the other day was not concussion related. If it was, it was as minor as it gets and probably more of a precaution than an actual injury.

 

[TheCusian]

I understand the concern, but, Cam Newton's taken more in 3 weeks than Dungey's taken in 2 years. Everybody has become hyper-sensitive to head shots since TV coverage has gotten so much better.

This has been happening since football was invented. Protection, safety and teaching is the safest it has ever been. A QB is going to get hit in the head from time to time, and just because their helmet gets hit doesn't always mean they got a concussion.

I have zero doubt that ED's injury the other day was not concussion related. If it was, it was as minor as it gets and probably more of a precaution than an actual injury.

Agreed. I don't think they put him on the sidelines if it's a concussion. I think he plays this week.*

* I'm not a doctor, have not talked to him, and am guessing almost completely.

 

[PhatOrange]

He looked fine to me on the sideline and I think he plays this weekend.

Regarding Fredericks, the last few carries he had he was met in the backfield by a defender. The times he got the ball past the LOS he ran through multiple tackles that would've dropped Neal or Strickland.

I have to go back and watch the screen pass to Strickland early in the game, but I felt at the time he missed a big chance for huge YAC because he has no vision and basically ran straight ahead. I recall if he'd cut it inside or outside he would've gained bunch more yards. Fact is the two backs ahead of JF aren't that good and the OLine is worse. Cripes how many times is the center not going to block anybody.

 

[Townie72]

McNabb never got hurt.

Even Nunes, who took some shots, never got hurt.

But Nunes was frequently running backwards towards his own end zone.

 

[dan7800]

FWIW. remember 2014 Wake?

They thought Wofford MIGHT have a concussion. He went back to the sideline.

(50 second mark)

All useless speculation at this point.

 

[PAcuse]

FWIW. remember 2014 Wake?

They thought Wofford MIGHT have a concussion. He went back to the sideline.

(50 second mark)

All useless speculation at this point.

I said this somewhere else, last time Dungey had a concussion they would not let him back out of the locker room. I doubt that would have changed.

 

[dan7800]

I said this somewhere else, last time Dungey had a concussion they would not let him back out of the locker room. I doubt that would have changed.

Could also be the severity of the concussion. Who knows, all useless speculation at this point.

 

[orangezen]

Wilson seems to have Madei Williams syndrome .. great passer in practice .. brain lockup in game situations