future OOC schedule

[Rocco]

As much as I am against bath salts, I think we should continue the series with WVU. Storied rivalry and we want to give them a chance to temporarily view the Schwartzwalder Trophy again.

 

[SmilinBob]

Bama's schedule: Michigan, Western Kentucky, Florida Atlantic, Western Carolina all at home and a total of 8 home games.

Add: Ark, Mississippi, Missouri, Tenn, Miss St, LSU, A&M and Auburn with their best win being LSU beating Washington.

These are the types of teams we need to play OOC. If it's good enough for the best team in the country than it should be good enough for SU. I'm sick of moral victories.

 

[javadoc]

Kinda agree, my philosophy here hasn't changed. With 4 OOC games I get:

EASY D-1AA (as long as everyone else is doing it).
Low level MAC in recruiting territory, or Army. I would be perfectly happy with a 5+ year home and away alternating series with Army.
Lower to mid-level BCS, would love to see Big 10 here.
"Name" team.

 

[kingottoiii]

It would be too difficult but fun if we went all private schools for our OOC games.

Tier 1 rotate ND, USC, BYU, TCU
Tier 2 rotate Stanford, Baylor, Vandy, Northwestern
Tier 3 rotate Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, Rice
Tier 4 rotate Nova, Colgate, Holy Cross, Liberty

This assumes that Colgate and Holy Cross both award scholarships which the Patriot League has agreed to. Would be nice to get Holy Cross back on the schedule since we used to play them every year until the D1 and D1AA split.

 

[rrlbees]

Bama's schedule: Michigan, Western Kentucky, Florida Atlantic, Western Carolina all at home and a total of 8 home games.

Add: Ark, Mississippi, Missouri, Tenn, Miss St, LSU, A&M and Auburn with their best win being LSU beating Washington.

These are the types of teams we need to play OOC. If it's good enough for the best team in the country than it should be good enough for SU. I'm sick of moral victories.

Their SEC schedule allows them to play 3 slugs. If we aren't careful we wont sell any season tixs. I stand by my proposed schedule. Not ridiculous but enough to draw some interest. We have to increase the season ticket base by both winning and having some attractive teams in the Dome.

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[retro44]

i would love to play tampa bay minus mike williams,that would be an easy win if shady still has a job:rolling:

 

[orangenauburn]

week 1: tOSU / PSU
week 2: Colgate / UB
week 3: Army / Navy
week 4: Vandy / USF

 

[TexanMark]

Kinda agree, my philosophy here hasn't changed. With 4 OOC games I get:

EASY D-1AA (as long as everyone else is doing it).
Low level MAC in recruiting territory, or Army. I would be perfectly happy with a 5+ year home and away alternating series with Army.
Lower to mid-level BCS, would love to see Big 10 here.
"Name" team.

Pretty much agree with this...a few thoughts. We should play Army fairly regularly. Maybe 6 out of 10 years. Some have suggested playing at Yankee Stadium but I disagree. Part of the allure of playing Army is a trip to West Point. Cycle it so a game at West Point is not the same years we play at MetLife.

Schedule Colgate the first week or two of the season...Make it long term. They should come cheaper as travel is almost nil. Colgate will travel a few thousand fans and they would like the game too...I'm sure they would use it as a recruiting pitch to get to play in the Dome every year.

We will have good representation along I-95 but our MAC game should be against Akron or Kent...get 2 for 1's. Cuse needs to maintain a presence in NE Ohio.

I differ in this "Lower to mid-level BCS, would love to see Big 10 here." Do that some years but other years playing a CUSA team would be ok..especially if it offers a nice road trip (Tulane, Rice, UTSA, ODU, etc...)

 

[SmilinBob]

quote="rrlbees, post: 375254, member: 96"]Their SEC schedule allows them to play 3 slugs. If we aren't careful we wont sell any season tixs. I stand by my proposed schedule. Not ridiculous but enough to draw some interest. We have to increase the season ticket base by both winning and having some attractive teams in the Dome.

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Miss St...they played zero AQ's OOC. as does A&M. Mississippi played just Texas OOC. Arkansas just rutty. Auburn just Clemson. This is how the SEC does it, they schedule like Rutgers and get credit for being incredible by espn. If the sec was so good they'd win 80% of their bowl games but they do not. Now I ask you this bees...what if each of those teams played an SU OOC schedule and god forbid they actually travel...you'd see SU types of numbers for some of them. You increase the ticket booth by winning and yes, an attractive team but going overboard is just going to keep it at a continual loop. Why do you think P never went 4-0 with all those good teams?

 

[sutomcat]

I hope this happens as well - because otherwise, to think that an SEC team (outside of maybe Vandy) is going to sign a home & home deal and come up to a game in the dome on their own is pure fantasy.

Oh no, we are surely doomed!

Been fun bantering with you over the years. Good luck in the future. Perhaps we will see you in a bowl game sometime.

 

[sutomcat]

I hope this happens as well - because otherwise, to think that an SEC team (outside of maybe Vandy) is going to sign a home & home deal and come up to a game in the dome on their own is pure fantasy.

Yes, teams like Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Missouri would never play in the Dome.

On a related note, Kentucky might be building a dome similar to the Carrier Dome in a few years. I find it surprising that no one else has built a large on campus multi purpose dome that can house football and basketball like ours since 1979.

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[SmilinBob]

Yes, teams like Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Missouri would never play in the Dome.

On a related note, Kentucky might be building a dome similar to the Carrier Dome in a few years. I find it surprising that no one else has built a large on campus multi purpose dome that can house football and basketball like ours since 1979.

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Florida has not left Florida for an OOC since we beat them in 91. The SEC/ACC match up for them will be FSU. That said if this type of schedule does happen the SEC schools will keep it at just SU as their lone OOC game. Notice that Missouri didn't do a home and home vs SU?

 

[Frozen]

IIRC, the Ivies won't (or are somehow barred) from playing 1-A schools, so Cornell is out. I think the Patriot League is generally the same, except for special circumstances (like when we played 'Gate a couple years ago). But if Colgate can/would agree to it, we should play them every season. Or apply leverage with the basketball series to convince them.

Army is playing at Yale in 2014.

 

[wfschrec]

quote="rrlbees, post: 375254, member: 96"]Their SEC schedule allows them to play 3 slugs. If we aren't careful we wont sell any season tixs. I stand by my proposed schedule. Not ridiculous but enough to draw some interest. We have to increase the season ticket base by both winning and having some attractive teams in the Dome.

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Miss St...they played zero AQ's OOC. as does A&M. Mississippi played just Texas OOC. Arkansas just rutty. Auburn just Clemson. This is how the SEC does it, they schedule like Rutgers and get credit for being incredible by espn. If the sec was so good they'd win 80% of their bowl games but they do not. Now I ask you this bees...what if each of those teams played an SU OOC schedule and god forbid they actually travel...you'd see SU types of numbers for some of them. You increase the ticket booth by winning and yes, an attractive team but going overboard is just going to keep it at a continual loop. Why do you think P never went 4-0 with all those good teams?[/quote]

The SEC went 6-2 in Bowl games last year ... what more do you want ... and to take that a step further every single opponent was an AQ school ... unlike the BE who feasts on MAC teams to bolster their bowl status. No other major AQ conference comes close in terms of records combined with quality of bowl opponent.

 

[sutomcat]

Florida has not left Florida for an OOC since we beat them in 91. The SEC/ACC match up for them will be FSU. That said if this type of schedule does happen the SEC schools will keep it at just SU as their lone OOC game. Notice that Missouri didn't do a home and home vs SU?

Missouri has already done a home and home with Syracuse and has played in the Dome, as have all the other schools I mentioned.

 

[SmilinBob]

Miss St...they played zero AQ's OOC. as does A&M. Mississippi played just Texas OOC. Arkansas just rutty. Auburn just Clemson. This is how the SEC does it, they schedule like Rutgers and get credit for being incredible by espn. If the sec was so good they'd win 80% of their bowl games but they do not. Now I ask you this bees...what if each of those teams played an SU OOC schedule and god forbid they actually travel...you'd see SU types of numbers for some of them. You increase the ticket booth by winning and yes, an attractive team but going overboard is just going to keep it at a continual loop. Why do you think P never went 4-0 with all those good teams?

The SEC went 6-2 in Bowl games last year ... what more do you want ... and to take that a step further every single opponent was an AQ school ... unlike the BE who feasts on MAC teams to bolster their bowl status. No other major AQ conference comes close in terms of records combined with quality of bowl opponent.[/quote]

Which are played down south and that is the best they have done in years. The sec is smart, they schedule 8 home games, play 1 or less aq's OOC and play only 8 conference games for 14 teams. Are they good? yes and why? they can recruit because they win and how? they schedule like I mentioned. Guess what, they get good recruits. I realize the atmosphere in the SEC is top flight and that too is a great recruiting tool but these schools set themselves up for success while SU schedules OOC like a guy that likes to hit himself in the nuts. Again, I'd love to see all the SEC teams schedule like we do OOC and then we'd see how amazing they'd be...let's level the playing field.

 

[SmilinBob]

Missouri has already done a home and home with Syracuse and has played in the Dome, as have all the other schools I mentioned.

That's the past, they have realized the way to get votes, bowl games and most importantly $. Again tom, you notice they didn't do it this time and you won't see it again. Just look at the OOC schedules of these teams...you guys throw a fit at Rutgers and these schools all do it. Hell, I don't think the Big 12 played 2 either as you guys have noticed that wv dropped FSU.

 

[wfschrec]

That's the past, they have realized the way to get votes, bowl games and most importantly $. Again tom, you notice they didn't do it this time and you won't see it again. Just look at the OOC schedules of these teams...you guys throw a fit at Rutgers and these schools all do it. Hell, I don't think the Big 12 played 2 either as you guys have noticed that wv dropped FSU.

The difference is Rutgers won't see LSU, Florida, Georgia or S. Carolina in the regular season ... go look at Florida's in conference schedule ... goodnight that is brutal. The highest ranked team Rutty could play all season would be Louisville when its all said and done ... if Louisville cracks the top 15 they are lucky and LVille had a tough time pulling out and maintaining their win over an SEC bottom feeder in UK ... you are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[SmilinBob]

The difference is Rutgers won't see LSU, Florida, Georgia or S. Carolina in the regular season ... go look at Florida's in conference schedule ... goodnight that is brutal. The highest ranked team Rutty could play all season would be Louisville when its all said and done ... if Louisville cracks the top 15 they are lucky and LVille had a tough time pulling out and maintaining their win over an SEC bottom feeder in UK ... you are comparing apples and oranges.

My lord I'm not comparing the big east to the sec just pointing out how they manipulate their schedules. As for Florida, in the past that whole division has struggled and is now playing better. Georgia has not beat a top 25 team in their last what, 10 or 12 tries? Hell, even we've done that. Look at Georgia's schedule OOC.

 

[wfschrec]

The SEC went 6-2 in Bowl games last year ... what more do you want ... and to take that a step further every single opponent was an AQ school ... unlike the BE who feasts on MAC teams to bolster their bowl status. No other major AQ conference comes close in terms of records combined with quality of bowl opponent.

Which are played down south and that is the best they have done in years. The sec is smart, they schedule 8 home games, play 1 or less aq's OOC and play only 8 conference games for 14 teams. Are they good? yes and why? they can recruit because they win and how? they schedule like I mentioned. Guess what, they get good recruits. I realize the atmosphere in the SEC is top flight and that too is a great recruiting tool but these schools set themselves up for success while SU schedules OOC like a guy that likes to hit himself in the nuts. Again, I'd love to see all the SEC teams schedule like we do OOC and then we'd see how amazing they'd be...let's level the playing field.[/quote]

Bama played Michigan ... will play Va Tech next year in the Georgia Dome ... has played PSU twice and spanked them twice in the last few seasons ... what more do they have to prove? LSU beat Oregon in the regular season ... Florida plays a top 10 FSU annually ... the only team we should be bragging about playing would be USC ... NW isn't a bad team but is not as good as FSU, Mich, Clemson, Oregon, Boise St or some of the other teams that SEC has played in the regular season over the last few years ... and now you cite bowl success against other AQs because the games are in the south? Really? Its also easy for them to recruit because the top flight high school talent is in their backyards ... they eat sleep and breathe football down here ... that is why they recruit ... period. I think you are really reaching ... with a helluva gauntlet for an in conference schedule why make your OOC tough. SU plays in quite possibly the worst BCS conference and lets face it ... their in conference schedule is a joke compared to what you would see in the PAC-12, Big-12 or SEC.

 

[wfschrec]

My lord I'm not comparing the big east to the sec just pointing out how they manipulate their schedules. As for Florida, in the past that whole division has struggled and is now playing better. Georgia has not beat a top 25 team in their last what, 10 or 12 tries? Hell, even we've done that. Look at Georgia's schedule OOC.

Georgia will play two top 10 teams in conference ... seriously? How many top 10 teams have we played in the last 4 seasons? Their SOS is 13th in the country ... ours is 61st ... seriously you are really reaching.

 

[SmilinBob]

Which are played down south and that is the best they have done in years. The sec is smart, they schedule 8 home games, play 1 or less aq's OOC and play only 8 conference games for 14 teams. Are they good? yes and why? they can recruit because they win and how? they schedule like I mentioned. Guess what, they get good recruits. I realize the atmosphere in the SEC is top flight and that too is a great recruiting tool but these schools set themselves up for success while SU schedules OOC like a guy that likes to hit himself in the nuts. Again, I'd love to see all the SEC teams schedule like we do OOC and then we'd see how amazing they'd be...let's level the playing field.

Bama played Michigan ... will play Va Tech next year in the Georgia Dome ... has played PSU twice and spanked them twice in the last few seasons ... what more do they have to prove? LSU beat Oregon in the regular season ... Florida plays a top 10 FSU annually ... the only team we should be bragging about playing would be USC ... NW isn't a bad team but is not as good as FSU, Mich, Clemson, Oregon, Boise St or some of the other teams that SEC has played in the regular season over the last few years ... and now you cite bowl success against other AQs because the games are in the south? Really? Its also easy for them to recruit because the top flight high school talent is in their backyards ... they eat sleep and breathe football down here ... that is why they recruit ... period. I think you are really reaching ... with a helluva gauntlet for an in conference schedule why make your OOC tough. SU plays in quite possibly the worst BCS conference and lets face it ... their in conference schedule is a joke compared to what you would see in the PAC-12, Big-12 or SEC.[/quote]

Exactly, one game OOC vs AQ and 8 home games...amazing that people disregard h/a games in college football. I'm well aware of the passion down there, Jesus you have bought the act hook line and sinker. I am not saying and please read what I am saying again...not saying the big east is better because I have no clue where you whipped out this strawman...I'm saying that the SEC schedules for success. You mentioned Florida's brutal schedule. Bowling Green, Jacksonville or Louisiana Lafayette keep you up all night? 7 home games and a neutral vs Georgia. They play 4 ranked teams SU plays 5, well now 4 since NW lost.

 

[kingottoiii]

Pretty much agree with this...a few thoughts. We should play Army fairly regularly. Maybe 6 out of 10 years. Some have suggested playing at Yankee Stadium but I disagree. Part of the allure of playing Army is a trip to West Point. Cycle it so a game at West Point is not the same years we play at MetLife.

Schedule Colgate the first week or two of the season...Make it long term. They should come cheaper as travel is almost nil. Colgate will travel a few thousand fans and they would like the game too...I'm sure they would use it as a recruiting pitch to get to play in the Dome every year.

We will have good representation along I-95 but our MAC game should be against Akron or Kent...get 2 for 1's. Cuse needs to maintain a presence in NE Ohio.

I differ in this "Lower to mid-level BCS, would love to see Big 10 here." Do that some years but other years playing a CUSA team would be ok..especially if it offers a nice road trip (Tulane, Rice, UTSA, ODU, etc...)

I think Colgate could get old if it is a yearly thing. If we play them every year and beat up on them will they really bring fans after 5 years of it? I think an every other year or one in three year matchup would be more beneficial. I would like to see us play Holy Cross again in a rotation with Colgate.

I think we should only play 9 BCS games if possible. Doing so allows you to make a Bowl at 3-6. While playing 10 teams means you have to go 4-6. If you play FSU/Clemson every year, Miami/VT some years, and then one of ND/PSU/Etc you could be looking at four built in Ls if we have a mediocre SU squad. With 9 BCS games then you only need to go 3-2 against your peers. While with 10 BCS games you need to go 4-2.

It is in SU's best interests to have a rotation every year of

Colgate/Holy Cross/Nova
Tulane/Rice/Army
Akron/Kent/Temple
ND/PSU/UCLA

That IMO is the perfect setup. It pretty much ensures SU a Bowl game every year. Which is important. It also hits up the areas we need to recruit. As a fan it would suck having 3 cupcake games, but it would suck more to not make a Bowl.

 

[wfschrec]

Bama played Michigan ... will play Va Tech next year in the Georgia Dome ... has played PSU twice and spanked them twice in the last few seasons ... what more do they have to prove? LSU beat Oregon in the regular season ... Florida plays a top 10 FSU annually ... the only team we should be bragging about playing would be USC ... NW isn't a bad team but is not as good as FSU, Mich, Clemson, Oregon, Boise St or some of the other teams that SEC has played in the regular season over the last few years ... and now you cite bowl success against other AQs because the games are in the south? Really? Its also easy for them to recruit because the top flight high school talent is in their backyards ... they eat sleep and breathe football down here ... that is why they recruit ... period. I think you are really reaching ... with a helluva gauntlet for an in conference schedule why make your OOC tough. SU plays in quite possibly the worst BCS conference and lets face it ... their in conference schedule is a joke compared to what you would see in the PAC-12, Big-12 or SEC.

Exactly, one game OOC vs AQ and 8 home games...amazing that people disregard h/a games in college football. I'm well aware of the passion down there, Jesus you have bought the act hook line and sinker. I am not saying and please read what I am saying again...not saying the big east is better because I have no clue where you whipped out this strawman...I'm saying that the SEC schedules for success. You mentioned Florida's brutal schedule. Bowling Green, Jacksonville or Louisiana Lafayette keep you up all night? 7 home games and a neutral vs Georgia. They play 4 ranked teams SU plays 5, well now 4 since NW lost.[/quote]

Listen, you humor me but as I stated in this thread ...

Georgia SOS = 13th
SU SOS = 61st

Highest ranked team SU has played will be USC which will be top 15

Georgia will play:
Florida top 10
South Carolina top 5

NW will not finish in the top 25 ... Rutty will not either when its all said and done ... chances are the only teams that will be ranked at season's end will be LVille, USC and possibly Cincy. Other than USC none of those teams would even finish in the top 6 of the SEC ... again LVille got all it could handle from a bad Kentucky squad. Tennessee would probably finish Top 25 except they have 5 ranked teams on their schedule ... and guess what all of them are in conference games ... why ... why would you make your schedule that much more daunting? They don't even need to leave conference play to have 3 top 10 teams on their schedule ... honestly explain this to me? Rutgers got all it could handle from Arkansas who is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst team in the SEC ... ahead of Auburn and probably Kentucky. Your whole line of thought doesn't even make sense for schools that play such a brutal conference schedule.

 

[OrangeMojo]

Yes, teams like Auburn, Florida, Tennessee and Missouri would never play in the Dome.

On a related note, Kentucky might be building a dome similar to the Carrier Dome in a few years. I find it surprising that no one else has built a large on campus multi purpose dome that can house football and basketball like ours since 1979.

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come on Tomcat - you know that was a different time