FWIW, we've now won 38 straight non-conference games.

[cliftonparksufan]

This thread is about NON CONFERENCE win streaks. You are citing overall SOS's and missing the point.

Actually you are missing my point which is since we play such a tough in conference schedule we don't need to play a tough OOC schedule. Our SOS and RPI rankings stand on their own merit.

 

[CorduroyG]

You're right to an extent.

But Duke has already beaten Belmont, Michigan State, Michigan, and Kansas this year. Only one of those was at home. (Also lost to Ohio State). That's 4 likely NCAA tournament teams. Plus they play Washington and Temple. Last year they beat Marquette, Temple, Kansas State, Michigan State, UAB, and Butler, plus lost to St. Johns.

So in the last 2 years, I count 13-14 NCAA tournament teams they've played OOC. (Depending on how you feel about Belmont and Washington.) And very few of those at home (Belmont, Michigan State, Temple last year).

This year we have Florida, (1) who is a definite tournament team. Stanford is looking pretty good, I will throw them in. (2) State is already 5-3, with 3 pretty good losses. Don't think you can call them a tournament team.

Last year we had Michigan (3) at home, and Mich State (4) neutral. The year prior we had Cal (5) at MSG, Cornell (6) at home, Florida (7) in Tampa. The year prior, you had Florida (8) in KC, Kansas (9), and Memphis at Memphis (10), plus Cornell (11). (Did I mention I liked the schedule that year?) In 2008, we played Cornell (12). In 2007, I don't see anyone OOC. 2006, we had Florida (13) and Bucknell. (14)

So basically, Duke has played as many NCAA tournament teams OOC in the last 2 years as we have played in the last 6 years.

Edit: To be fair, I may have missed a team like Robert Morris for SU or something like that.

Ok but thats 1 team. I would say beating 11 ncaa tournament teams in non-conference since the 2008-2009 season (since that is when the streak began) is a respectable # and compares pretty well to most "elite" teams. Plus we got screwed 2 years ago beating north carolina and memphis, 2 teams who almost always make the tournament and both happened to suck that year.

BTW the michigan game last year was neutral, not home. Beat them in AC

 

[Knicks411]

Ok but thats 1 team. I would say beating 11 ncaa tournament teams in non-conference since the 2008-2009 season (since that is when the streak began) is a respectable # and compares pretty well to most "elite" teams.

I have no idea. I don't think we're at 11 yet, though we could get there.

If you want to count the entire 2008-2009 season, even though the Kansas win came before the streak, but it's close enough, this is what I have:

2008-2009: Cornell, Kansas, Memphis. (And to be fair, Cornell wasn't exactly a true NCAA tourny team that year, they made it of course, but not as an at large and they wouldn't have been close to one. They were a 14 seed.
2009-2010: Cal, Florida, Cornell (they were very good this year)
2010-2011: Michigan, Michigan St (and yeah I have no idea why I said Michigan was at home)
2011-12: To be determined; Florida is a for sure, and maybe Stanford as well.

I would throw the 2009 Cornell out, to be honest. Like I said, a 14 seed. They were like 104 in the Pomeroy rankings. That would leave us at 9 right now, pending the rest of the season. (And calling Stanford a tourny team) Let's look at Duke, UNC, Kansas.
I won't go through all the teams, just the totals

Duke: I've got Duke at 13 right now, with a chance to add a few more with Washington, Temple still to play.
UNC: 6. 6!
Kansas: 10, and they have a chance to go to 11 with Ohio State tomorrow.

So yeah, middle of the pack. Duke is far ahead, with the 13. The 6 for UNC is crazy; the year they won the national title, they won 1 OOC against a tournament team, Michigan State. (Played Kentucky and Notre Dame, but both were NIT teams).

All of those teams have played more NCAA tournament teams that we have, I believe, maybe not UNC.

2009 is also a nice endpoint for us. The number is 9 from 2009, if you go back and add 2007 and 2008, the number remains 9.

 

[Brian Orange]

It's time for some of these wins to be in late March, not just November.

 

[Garbs]

that has to be tops in the nation right, meaning the longest streak currently?

 

[MiniCuse]

Way back in the last years of Manley we had the longest home court winning streak in the Nation. That and $5 will get you a cup of coffee. We need to show when it counts. This team is good but flawed. We lack a go to big, someone that can draw fouls to thin out the front court of an opposing title contender. To some degree we can work around our flaws, but this is probably not our year. Maybe next?

Probably not many coffee drinkers in Alaska at 5 bucks a pop.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Why do people have such a hard time admitting that:
a) Syracuse very rarely will go on the road to play a glamor team or even a close to elite team in their gym
b) Syracuse while it plays a very competitive schedule very rarely plays a top heavy schedule like the other hoops elites play.

I hope these are two things that change when JB retires and Hopkins takes over. I am guessing that the first one won't change because I suspect its due to financial reasons more than anything else.

 

[SWC75]

The true revelvance of our non-conference record, (call it a pre Big East season record if you want), is that we lost 8 pre Big East games the previous three years to Florida, Bucknell, Wichita State, Oklahoma State, Drexel, Ohio State, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Without GMAC's Big East run in '06, those would have been three straight NIT teams. In the four seasons since, we are 45-1 and a 70 footer away from being 46-0. We've had three straight NCAA teams, all of whom have been ranked in the top ten, (two in the top 5) during the season and are looking to make it four in a row.

The early games do matter.

 

[OttoMets]

The early games do matter.

A very good point. Regardless of how strong or weak our early-season schedule is, it's been the same for almost 15 years. During an ugly stretch in the mid-aughts, we struggled against those mediocre opponents. During the past four years, (knock on wood) we've beaten them.

It's a nice trend.

 

[rstone7727]

Probably JB has had talks with TGD as well as Jake before him, and they have mutually agreed that it makes financial sense to schedule as many games as possible in the Dome. It may very well be that high-mid level teams don't want to come to the Dome early in the season.

 

[orangehomer]

Without fact checking, I am assuming all of your data is correct. But what people aren't saying is that the Cuse plays one of the hardest in conference schedules of anyone. The only tough team that Duke plays in conference is UNC. We play Louisville, Yukon, Pitt, Marquette, Villanova, etc. etc etc. That more than makes up for a possibly less than stellar OOC and our annual SOS proves that.

well the other thing too, is that ooc teams recognize what it is to play in the dome, and they don't wany to play us home and home, because we are pretty darn tough on the road.